5G towers are being set on fire because of corona conspiracies

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real time routing, involving thousands of vehicles does require bandwidth. We're talking about vehicles where I can change my destination on a whim, and picking the best new route based on traffic, accidents, road works etc. You need real time data to apply those algorithms to with several other thousand people making new decisions.

And like I said, I don't like this argument because we're limiting ourselves to something that isn't available yet. I have no idea what people will come up with, I'm just stating ONE clear use case.

The internet was not viewed as a revolution by some in the early years that were IN tech.

We already have real-time routing involving millions of vehicles. Look at Waze for example. The amount of information which has to be exchanged is minuscule. ID, Location (GPS), type and for moving objects direction and some numbers related to velocity. That's it. You could condense the data for 1 million moving vehicles into less than the size of one 4K DVD ~2Gb. Each data exchange is far less than 1kb. You need a vehicle ID 4 bytes MAX, location GPS 6 bytes, vehicle type 2 bytes MAX, direction 2 bytes MAX, velocity 1 byte, velocity history 10 bytes, some meta data for protocol max 10 bytes. That all together is nothing.

The difficult part is the massed calculation and that does not take place on the network, it happens on the server. Routing isn't freeform - on land we deal in vertices not feet (most of the time). When you say "algorithms" do you actually understand what that means? Where it is done? How it works?

You need to justify the rush, not the move to better tech. I am arguing against the former not the latter. So far you have failed to either provide sensible reasons for the drive to 5G now and you also have NOT addressed the privacy concerns.

Given your level of conviction I would have expected that you would already have some firm ideas about privacy safeguards .

 

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This, the internet of things is coming whether people like it not for that to work 5G needs to be a reality. None of the studies have shown a direct link to cancer. All that needs to be done is have better protocols for safety measures in order to mitigate the risk of potential side effects as 5g towers need to be closer together to work properly.

Anything new should always have better mitigation protocols that posses a risk to the general population.

Privacy and surveillance e-grow.

 

[Guess Who]

The conversation between @TENET and @HiphopRelated is the best part of this thread imo.

 

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The conversation between @TENET and @HiphopRelated is the best part of this thread imo.

 

[Guess Who]

Haha yeah I’m learning all this dope tech shyt and learning much more about 5G technology than I ever understood before. It’s also cool to learn about how many of our more recent AI technologies might operate.

 

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Privacy and surveillance e-grow.

Not sure what you're referring to

 

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Not sure what you're referring to

Ok cool.

Are you happy with the tracking, selling, "lending" and giving access to of your personal information without your explicit consent?

Are you happy with companies which bend, twist and flout the law when it comes to this?

Are you happy for governments and institutions to flout your notionally "liberal democracy with free speech" to sanction you for simply expressing yourself?

Are you happy for private companies to sell your personal information to companies that manipulate you?

Are you happy for companies to read your emails and scan your pictures to try and find out what sort of person you are?

There are companies who spend their time working and implementing systems to do just that. It's possible because there are no protections against peer-identification built into the communication stack which underpins the Internet. Our failure to plan properly there has led to what we have now.

Given that the actors in this have already shown that they are unable to be trusted why would you willingly advocate for them to be given more power?

 

[HiphopRelated]

We already have real-time routing involving millions of vehicles. Look at Waze for example. The amount of information which has to be exchanged is minuscule. ID, Location (GPS), type and for moving objects direction and some numbers related to velocity. That's it. You could condense the data for 1 million moving vehicles into less than the size of one 4K DVD ~2Gb. Each data exchange is far less than 1kb. You need a vehicle ID 4 bytes MAX, location GPS 6 bytes, vehicle type 2 bytes MAX, direction 2 bytes MAX, velocity 1 byte, velocity history 10 bytes, some meta data for protocol max 10 bytes. That all together is nothing.

The difficult part is the massed calculation and that does not take place on the network, it happens on the server. Routing isn't freeform - on land we deal in vertices not feet (most of the time). When you say "algorithms" do you actually understand what that means? Where it is done? How it works?

You need to justify the rush, not the move to better tech. I am arguing against the former not the latter. So far you have failed to either provide sensible reasons for the drive to 5G now and you also have NOT addressed the privacy concerns.

Given your level of conviction I would have expected that you would already have some firm ideas about privacy safeguards .

I think we both agree it's gonna be reliant on some aspect on a central location or at least distributed locations that will be processing this, we just disagree on the volume of data being transmitted and also the latency, which is what is also important.

As far as privacy, I'm more on the people gave that up at Facebook and Google train of thought. The car might say what building you're at, your phone gonna give away your room.

 

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I think we both agree it's gonna be reliant on some aspect on a central location or at least distributed locations that will be processing this, we just disagree on the volume of data being transmitted and also the latency, which is what is also important.

As far as privacy, I'm more on the people gave that up at Facebook and Google train of thought. The car might say what building you're at, your phone gonna give away your room.

We are doing this now with Waze,. I use it every now and again. It even works in the USA. Try it.

I've said this several times already but you keep ignoring it.

Here's a video - "real time routing"



I gave you a breakdown re. data size. You are free to present your own.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

People are right, I never see when you're responding to me

They actually ARE being cautious since the data thus far gives no indication of deleterious effects and they are constantly monitored. Attacking things because there MIGHT be deleterious effects some unspecified time in the future is not rational whatsoever. Were that the case, we should bomb China and North Korea immediately as that would be a 'rational' action.

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That's sidestepping what I said. I said that according to the sources yall were exchanging, scientists on the case

recommended that reassessing the cancer risk associated with RF EMFs be a high priority.

. That's why monitoring doesn't cut it. Waiting it out and researching more is what does the job. Not installing them in different spots without consulting the population beforehand. That's ignoring scientists' recommendations. Where is the rush? (I actually know where it is, it's the same destroying urge that is responsible for the climate catastrophe right now)

Sidestepping my point also makes your example null. It's not about China and North Korea representing a potential danger. It would be similar to thhem doing actions on US territory with a level of danger to the US we cannot estimate clearly, the US asking them to suspend these actions so as to give time to assess the situation, and China ignoring it.

Again, where is the rush.

 

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Ok cool.

Are you happy with the tracking, selling, "lending" and giving access to your personal information without your explicit consent?

Are you happy with companies that bend, twist and flout the law when it comes to this?

Are you happy for governments and institutions to flout your notionally "liberal democracy with free speech" to sanction you for simply expressing yourself?

Are you happy for private companies to sell your personal information to companies that manipulate you?

Are you happy for companies to read your emails and scan your pictures to try and find out what sort of person you are?

There are companies that spend their time working and implementing systems to do just that. It's possible because there are no protections against peer-identification built into the communication stack which underpins the Internet. Our failure to plan properly there has led to what we have now.

Given that the actors in this have already shown that they are unable to be trusted why would you willingly advocate for them to be given more power?

Oh that, it can't be stopped if you wanted to.

Big data is here to stay and it's not going anywhere. Not everything is binary in terms of privacy everything should be judged on a gradient.

So I'll give you a working example of how big data, has benefited a majority of people and a country.

Privacy was a concern before with big data but it has turned into a major win. So the place I stay now implemented new program years back. Privacy concerns were a massive national discussion as the government said that it was going to start collecting and sharing copious amounts of data related to healthcare concerns within the country. It was sold to the people that the benefits will outweigh the privacy concerns. As logistically it would lower cost and free up so that capital could be put to better use. I was not living there at the time but I do remember the national conversation about it.

Now fast forward to the present with this virus that big data and with a few right actions the country has been kept safe and it is one of 3 countries in the world right now that is operating and the only 1st world nation that is operating at full capacity while a number of countries are now heading into a recession a depression.

And I expect countries around the world to duplicate replicate the use of this big data. Recession is bad but depressions have last effects for 20 to 25 years.

So to answer the question I use to have problems with but now it's not a concern. The internet of things big data are here and are not going anywhere.

 

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Oh that, it can't be stopped if you wanted to.

Big data is here to stay and it's not going anywhere. Not everything is binary in terms of privacy everything should be judged on a gradient.

So I'll give you a working example of how big data, has benefited a majority of people and a country.

Privacy was a concern before with big data but it has turned into a major win. So the place I stay now implemented new program years back. Privacy concerns were a massive national discussion as the government said that it was going to start collecting and sharing copious amounts of data related to healthcare concerns within the country. It was sold to the people that the benefits will outweigh the privacy concerns. As logistically it would lower cost and free up so that capital could be put to better use. I was not living there at the time but I do remember the national conversation about it.

Now fast forward to the present with this virus that big data and with a few right actions the country has been kept safe and it is one of 3 countries in the world right now that is operating and the only 1st world nation that is operating at full capacity while a number of countries are now heading into a recession a depression.

And I expect countries around the world to duplicate replicate the use of this big data. Recession is bad but depressions have last effects for 20 to 25 years.

So to answer the question I use to have problems with but now it's not a concern. The internet of things big data are here and are not going anywhere.

Well that is not an argument.

Breh could you post your full name, DOB, job and employer here.

 

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Well that is not an argument.

Breh could you post your full name, DOB, job and employer here.

Liked I said gradient, present a better argument why I should and the benefits I would get from it and I will.

Job: Business owner; private equity
DOB: look down below
Full name: if you want to discuss some business I will share my LinkedIn and we can chop it up. A number of people on here have it already.

 

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Liked I said gradient, present a better argument why I should and the benefits I would get from it and I will.

Job: Business owner; private equity
DOB: look down below
Full name: if you want to discuss some business I will share my LinkedIn and we can chop it up. A number of people on here have it already.

So now you want control over your information ?

Google et al. do not give you that control .

 

[Westbama Heartthrob]

I bet you none of them are gonna burn their cars though, or are they

Somebody'll be crazy enough to do it