'95 Orlando Magic vs '13 Heat

[chuckifubuck]

So explain how they went 7 with Indiana who is a much worse team than the 95 magic and cause less mismatches than that magic squad


Grant>>>>>west
Shaq>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hibbert
Penny>>>>>>Paul George
Nick Anderson>>>>Stephenson
Dennis Scott>>>>>>>>>George hill

Play shaq straight up trying to shut down the help and he would average over 60 points a game

Pacers: 2nd in points allowed, 1st fg and 3poing defense
Magic: 19th in points allowed, 11th in fg and 24th in defending the 3


Pacers defense >>>>>>> Magic defense

 

[Malta]

And Hakeem wouldn't be who he is if not for Jordan retiring. He's like a paper champion.

Jordan himself questioned whether or not they'd be able to beat the Rockets if they ever met in the finals.

They would have most definitely lost one of those finals series to the Rockets had he not retired, they would have been going against the Rockets without Horace Grant.

 

[Malta]

Pacers: 2nd in points allowed, 1st fg and 3poing defense
Magic: 19th in points allowed, 11th in fg and 24th in defending the 3


Pacers defense >>>>>>> Magic defense

And, the stats between then and now aren't much different, teams shot 47% then, and 45% now, even though teams rely on the 3 even more. Once you take eFG into it, teams then shot .500, and teams today shot .496, so the Magic were simply a shytty defensive team.

 

[Houston911]

This is how we know you know nothing about basketball. The Indiana Pacers have nothing to do with the 95 Magic. Different team, different matchups, different coaches, different philosophies.

Yet you think it's as simple as "this player >>> that player" and "this team took them to this many games." Prepubescent thinking.

In 96 the Knicks lost to the Bulls in 5 games while this same Magic team we're discussing got swept. So it's obvious the 96 Knicks > the 96 Magic right?

This year's Warriors >>> the Grizzlies because the Spurs swept the Grizzlies and needed 6 games to beat GS, right?

Why are we even discussing the 95 Magic who weren't even better than the 95 Jazz, the 95 Suns and the 95 Spurs who all at least got a game from the Rockets?

What stupid, stupid logic.

This is your mod?

It's the same mismatches fakkit

Guarantee you're fat and never played sports

Pacers mismatches were west and hibbert

Magic mismatch is shaq and grant

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

If this team was so great, why no rings? The Bulls had Luc Longley, Bill Winnington and Will Perdue at center and it meant nothing.

I think you're ignoring the fact that LeBron would be the best player on the floor by miles. Shaq isn't who needs to be worried about. It's that #6 guy.

He went off on SA and they're an excellent defensive team with one of the greatest coaches of all time and a scheme tailored to stopping him. Now I'm supposed to believe Brian Hill is gonna draw up a game plan in where Dennis Scott and Anthony Bowie are going to stop him?

It's all speculation anyway, I just don't see how Orlando avoids another sweep in this scenario.

the '95 Magic did beat a experienced Bulls team on the way to the Finals that year.


All those guys you listed + Scottie and Mike(probably still a lil rusty, though) was out there.


That Orlando team was just about to blossom before Shaq jumped ship.They were making the progression.They'd paid their dues


Just imagine if Bron would've left Miami after they lost to the Mavs and Wade would've went down with injury?(Penny)


You'd look back at them and say they didn't get it done.They failed.On Paper, they should've beat the Mavs.



I'd just like to see how this Heat team would do playing a against a dominant inside force.


Jordan got kinda lucky in that regard.When Hakeem reached his peak, Jordan was retired.I seriously think that mid 90's Rocket team would've gave the Bulls their toughest challenge

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

It's the same mismatches fakkit

Guarantee you're fat and never played sports

Pacers mismatches were west and hibbert

Magic mismatch is shaq and grant

Horace Grant is the x-factor now?

You suck, dude. :mjhaha:

 

[R=G]

Jordan himself questioned whether or not they'd be able to beat the Rockets if they ever met in the finals.

They would have most definitely lost one of those finals series to the Rockets had he not retired, they would have been going against the Rockets without Horace Grant.

That's out of him being humble and courteous to someone else's success. In truth, he would not lose to the Rockets and it would of been 8 straight championships. He was too much of a roll....especially when games got tight and big shots needed to be made.

 

[Houston911]

The Pacers played defense at an elite level though, that Magic team was terrible defensively, they allowed teams to shoot 38% from the 3 point line. The Heat shot 39% with a longer line, if the Magic could get spread out like that with a 22 foot line, the 23"9 line would be the end of them.

You could put the Nets against the Pacers and you'll come out with 3 positions the Nets have the edge, yet the Pacers are the better team off their defense.

Hibbert was dominant

Lemme repeat that....hibbert was dominant

Hibbert ain't shyt

How does Miami halfway contain shaq?

Miami has to use a more traditional lineup against the magic. You can't play bosh at the 5 vs that squad. U can't play Haslem at the 5.

We've already seen how much easier Miami is to defend with 2 bigs

Bridgman fouls out in 5 minutes tops Tryna guard shaq. Same with Haslem

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

the '95 Magic did beat a experienced Bulls team on the way to the Finals that year.


All those guys you listed + Scottie and Mike(probably still a lil rusty, though) was out there.


That Orlando team was just about to blossom before Shaq jumped ship.They were making the progression.They'd paid their dues


Just imagine if Bron would've left Miami after they lost to the Mavs and Wade would've went down with injury?(Penny)


You'd look back at them and say they didn't get it done.They failed.On Paper, they should've beat the Mavs.



I'd just like to see how this Heat team would do playing a against a dominant inside force.


Jordan got kinda lucky in that regard.When Hakeem reached his peak, Jordan was retired.I seriously think that mid 90's Rocket team would've gave the Bulls their toughest challenge

They only beat the Bulls because Jordan just took damn near 2 years off. I think he played in like 20 games that year plus playoffs. That was a fluke. The Bulls swept them easily the next year to prove that point.

You're acknowledging the 95 Magic couldn't beat the Heat but had they stayed together maybe they could. Let's call it what it is. You're not talking about the 95 Magic. You're talking about the hypothetical 98 Magic that never were.

 

[FAH1223]

That's out of him being humble and courteous to someone else's success. In truth, he would not lose to the Rockets and it would of been 8 straight championships. He was too much of a roll....especially when games got tight and big shots needed to be made.

Nah... did you watch Hakeem though?

He willed that team especially in 1995 when they were the 6th seed and probably had one of the toughest roads ever to get to the finals. They beat a 60 win team with the MVP in the conference finals and Hakeem just was making everyone look stupid. Hakeem was averaging 33 and 11 breh

I really do not think the Bulls beat that Rockets team two out of two times. Maybe they split, sure... but Hakeem was also cookin at that time.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Olajuwon caught fire in 94. Smart man to take advantage of no Mike. The rest of them fools shoulda went ham those years lol.

But as far as Bulls vs Rockets goes, I just say Mike won 6 straight chips and Olajuwon won 2 straight.

 

[Malta]

That's out of him being humble and courteous to someone else's success. In truth, he would not lose to the Rockets and it would of been 8 straight championships. He was too much of a roll....especially when games got tight and big shots needed to be made.

@ Jordan being humble or courteous, you kidding me? You will never find another quote from him containing any sort of doubt, except for the one where he's talking about how they have no answer for the Dream.

Hibbert was dominant

Lemme repeat that....hibbert was dominant

Hibbert ain't shyt

How does Miami halfway contain shaq?

Miami has to use a more traditional lineup against the magic. You can't play bosh at the 5 vs that squad. U can't play Haslem at the 5.

We've already seen how much easier Miami is to defend with 2 bigs

Bridgman fouls out in 5 minutes tops Tryna guard shaq. Same with Haslem

They can't contain Shaq, why bother even trying, he's going to get his but it's not like he'd average 50ppg for the series, because no matter how overmatched someone is that has never happened.

The Pacers were in that series because of their defense, they had an elite level defense, they limited the Heat to 95ppg, there's no way the Magic could do that. The Pacers could take away what the Heat do well, which is 3 point shooting. The Magic gave up 104ppg on average, and the shooting percentages and pace of play in the league were nearly the same as today, no team that gives up 104ppg is beating a team like the Heat IMO. I'd look to the Heat to get bullied in the paint, but get stops when needed especially since you can't go to Shaq in close games in the 4th.

It's like this, the Heat's weakness is the Magics strength, but the Magics weakness is the Heat's strength. You can't be 24th in a 27 team league at defending the 3 point shot, and expect to beat a team that knocks them down at almost 40%.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

The 95 Celtics won a game against them, and the Pacers took them to 7. That team didn't play even a hint of defense, and were one of the worst teams in the league at defending the 3 point line, which is why the Rockets tap danced all over them. The Heat made more 3s this year at a higher percentage than the Rockets did with a shortened line.


Shaq would murder the Heat frontline without question, but they couldn't defend shyt and gave up a ton of easy looks with a 22 foot line, you think they'd be able to defend better with the 3 line out at 23"9....

The Rockets had Hakeem creating those open looks.


Pacers had Rik Smits, who'd probably be the best center in the game today if he was playing right now.Plus those teams were filled with a lot of experienced vets.


This Heat team wins because they just overwhelm you with talent.They're not a crafty/high IQ team from a technical/fundamental standpoint.


That's why I asked this question because I feel like Orlando was sorta similar.Super talented individual parts, but they didn't necessarily beat you with experience/tact....they just overwhelmed you with talent.


The way the game is today, that Orlando team would dominate.There is know "wily ol veteran" teams wearing you down mentally round after round.Having to face a team full of goons and brutes, who also had stronger fundamental games and craftiness.


That shyt is more mentally taxing.The Spurs are the only team like that now, but even then, their core players are mostly past their physical primes.Look at how they pressured Miami between the ears and tested their resolve? Imagine the Heat having to face that every single round? Them nikkaz would probably be hitting that glass pipe just to cope.


That Orlando team didn't have it mentally, but neither do the Heat IMO.


You put this Heat team up against the teams the Magic had to play against back then, I doubt they even make it to the Finals.


You put that Orlando team in today's league, they murder everything in sight.You don't have to be mentally superior to win the title now.Just have the most talent.The game is more superficial today.

 

[Houston911]

@ Jordan being humble or courteous, you kidding me? You will never find another quote from him containing any sort of doubt, except for the one where he's talking about how they have no answer for the Dream.




They can't contain Shaq, why bother even trying, he's going to get his but it's not like he'd average 50ppg for the series, because no matter how overmatched someone is that has never happened.

The Pacers were in that series because of their defense, they had an elite level defense, they limited the Heat to 95ppg, there's no way the Magic could do that. The Pacers could take away what the Heat do well, which is 3 point shooting. The Magic gave up 104ppg on average, and the shooting percentages and pace of play in the league were nearly the same as today, no team that gives up 104ppg is beating a team like the Heat IMO. I'd look to the Heat to get bullied in the paint, but get stops when needed especially since you can't go to Shaq in close games in the 4th.

It's like this, the Heat's weakness is the Magics strength, but the Magics weakness is the Heat's strength. You can't be 24th in a 27 team league at defending the 3 point shot, and expect to beat a team that knocks them down at almost 40%.

i said he'd average 50 if they attempted to defend him with single coverage

it's never happened before, but there has never been a bigger mismatch than shaq vs bosh with on one on one coverage. bosh couldnt do anything against shaq except foul him 6 times



this is against hakeem olajuwon...one of the best defenders in nba history

bosh would enjoy that rape

i dont see the heat sticking with bosh, lebron and 3 shooters against the magic so the 3 ball is not as much of a threat

 

[Malta]

The Rockets had Hakeem creating those open looks.


Pacers had Rik Smits, who'd probably be the best center in the game today if he was playing right now.Plus those teams were filled with a lot of experienced vets.


This Heat team wins because they just overwhelm you with talent.They're not a crafty/high IQ team from a technical/fundamental standpoint.


That's why I asked this question because I feel like Orlando was sorta similar.Super talented individual parts, but they didn't necessarily beat you with experience/tact....they just overwhelmed you with talent.


The way the game is today, that Orlando team would dominate.There is know "wily ol veteran" teams wearing you down mentally round after round.Having to face a team full of goons and brutes, who also had stronger fundamental games and craftiness.


That shyt is more mentally taxing.The Spurs are the only team like that now, but even then, their core players are mostly past their physical primes.Look at how they pressured Miami between the ears and tested their resolve? Imagine the Heat having to face that every single round? Them nikkaz would probably be hitting that glass pipe just to cope.


That Orlando team didn't have it mentally, but neither do the Heat IMO.


You put this Heat team up against the teams the Magic had to play against back then, I doubt they even make it to the Finals.


You put that Orlando team in today's league, they murder everything in sight.You don't have to be mentally superior to win the title now.Just have the most talent.The game is more superficial today.

Sure, they had Hakeem creating open looks and the Heat have LeBron doing the same, the point still stands that the Magic were easy to spread out with a shortened 3 point line, yet they're supposed to beat a team that thrives on spreading teams out and knocking down 3s from a longer line? The Magic couldn't defend the shortened 3, they wouldn't be able to defend the 3 point line today.

The NBA wasn't better in 1994-1995, it had better centers but that's about it. The defenses as a whole were trash, you don't make it to the NBA finals today without a top 10 defense, in the 90s you could. The Heat don't have it mentally, yet they've come back from 3-2 two years in a row? Come on fam, they have it mentally at this point, that Magic team crumbled after they lost to the Rockets. You're using a lot of hyperbole, the Heat beat that "wily ole vet" team 2 years in a row (Celtics).