A King Asks For Seconds & A Chef Obliges: Official Warriors vs. Cavs 2016 NBA FINALS Thread

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It's possible that there's a dumber post in this thread, but damn it'd be hard to find it.

Kyrie is good at certain things, but he is NOT good at leading the team. He kills the flow by overdribbling and does not have especially strong court vision. He's been playing far better individually during the playoffs than he did during the regular season, but there are major things missing from his team game and trying to be the focal point of the offense exposes them.

And then you go and say the player who finished #3 in MVP voting this season will win the chip by limiting his role to the thing he does worst. :mindblown:

It's as if you had said that the key to OKC beating the Warriors would have been for Durant to do all the creating and Westbrook to shoot threes.:camby:







Weren't you the guy making those embarrassing crackbaby-level posts about how rings alone determine how good a player is?

Everyone needs a competent team to win a championship. Wade and Bosh did not make the Heat into any sort of all-time best supporting cast when Lebron won titles with them. Bosh was out for half the 2012 playoffs, and Lebron led the Heat to a Game 7 victory over the Spurs when Bosh scored zero.





Losing to the 73-win favorites with the unanimous MVP, who just took 3 straight from a team that had 2 of the 4 best players in the league AND a strong supporting cast, would actually make you look any differently at Lebron than you already do?







Yes, I trust the Golden State defense more than the Cavs defense. You're really going to question that?

The three most important players on offense for the Dubs are Curry, Thompson, and Green. The Cavs starters defending them are Kyrie, JR, and Love. No one in basketball history said that's a trio to "trust" on defense.

Green is a better defender than anyone on Cleveland right now. Bogut is a better rim protector than anyone on Cleveland. Thompson is a better defender than either of Cleveland's starting guards. And then they bring Iggy off the bench, who won the 2015 Finals MVP with his defense.





In 2007 Larry Hughes got hurt and missed most of the Finals. Hughes was supposed to be the Cavs #2 player, but honestly, he might have taken away more than he added. Still, an injury that makes Daniel Gibson your second-biggest offensive threat clearly does leave you with a meaningful team. The fact that the Cavs #2 player got hurt and missed most of the Finals, and that you don't even remember that, shows just how bad their supporting cast was.

In 2011 Haslem missed almost the entire season and half the playoffs, and was awful during the Finals while still trying to work his way back. Miller also missed half the season with injuries and wasn't 100% in the Finals either, where he also played terrible. Those were supposed to be 2 of Miami's top 5 players before they got hurt. Miami was also starting the corpse of Mike Bibby at point guard and a D-league level "player" named Joel Anthony at center.

In 2014 Wade missed 30 games during the season and was clearly not 100% and looked horrible during the Finals (remember he averaged 15-4-3 on 44% shooting). Anderson, Miller, and Battier were fighting injuries during the Finals too (Anderson was hurting all year and missed multiple ECF games), though distinguishing between "injuries" and "old age" blurs the line a bit. Then, of course, you had the supposedly "accidental" AC malfunction leading to Lebron's leg cramps which took him out of Game 1.
This team equally has a chance and tbh it's 50-50 right now. LeBron brought this team to the finals without Kevin and Kyrie and STILL only lost in 6 without JR and shumpert as well. You forget that this team swept their first 2 rounds before the Raptors and even then every win they have in conference finals is 20+ differential.

LeBron has 4 MVPs and the Cavs were the 1st seed in the east this sht is anyone's game, despite the feeling that GSW wins anyway

LeBron has 7 finals appearances and if he loses hes 2-7 in terms of wins and losses looking at ever major HOFer with finals wins and theyre the finals MVP or main contributor their record is untarnished...and I'm saying nikkas only lost on the finals 1-2 times MAX on multiple appearances
 

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Lets not forget that the Cavs took it to 6 last year without their 2nd and 3rd best players.

Yall keep saying that like GS didn't improve at all. The had the most significant jump in NBA history and you telling me Kyrie or Love will make a difference....not by a long shot.
 

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Yall keep saying that like GS didn't improve at all. The had the most significant jump in NBA history and you telling me Kyrie or Love will make a difference....not by a long shot.
They won 67 games last year...it's not like these dudes went from lottery bound to contender status. They won 6 more games than they did last year in a West that was SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than previous years.
- Portland had to completely retool after losing every starter except Lillard and a huge star in Aldridge and completely overachieved this year.
- Memphis took a significant step back and got mauled by injuries to the point where they were strolling a D-League starting 5 onto the court.
- New Orleans got worse in every aspect and Anthony Davis didn't take the leap people expected.
- Houston was flat out terrible after being in the WCF last year.
- Clippers were marred with injuries pretty much the whole season and overachieved.

The conference was so bad that the 8th seed in the East would've been like a 4th or 5th seed out West, and they allowed 2 teams to win 67+ games with the other being San Antonio--a group of guys who were obviously paper champs based on how they got dominated by OKC.

GS' defense is actually worse than last year and offensively they're less versatile as they've become more Curry/Klay-centric. But luckily Curry has answered the call by providing more scoring.

GS' "leap" is greatly exaggerated. The only true leap that happened was that of Stephen Curry and while I'm not denying his improvement more than anything breh just got a bigger green light.

And the Cavs record is deceiving. They started out the season without Kyrie, Shump, or Frye and when Kyrie and Shump came back they were rusty for quite some time before they re-gelled. With all that, they still won 57 games, in a tougher conference, despite what the Coli wants you to believe. This is a 65 minimum win team at full strength. It's a lot closer than people think.
Sorry. :manny:
 
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This team equally has a chance and tbh it's 50-50 right now. LeBron brought this team to the finals without Kevin and Kyrie and STILL only lost in 6 without JR and shumpert as well. You forget that this team swept their first 2 rounds before the Raptors and even then every win they have in conference finals is 20+ differential.

LeBron has 4 MVPs and the Cavs were the 1st seed in the east this sht is anyone's game, despite the feeling that GSW wins anyway

LeBron has 7 finals appearances and if he loses hes 2-7 in terms of wins and losses looking at ever major HOFer with finals wins and theyre the finals MVP or main contributor their record is untarnished...and I'm saying nikkas only lost on the finals 1-2 times MAX on multiple appearances
Lebron would be 2-5 or 2/7 if he loses. Not 2-7. 2-7 means he played in 9 finals
 

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Yall keep saying that like GS didn't improve at all. The had the most significant jump in NBA history and you telling me Kyrie or Love will make a difference....not by a long shot.
They got better, but I also saw weaknesses against OKC. You can't overstate the downgrade the Cavs went through last year. Your 2nd and 3rd best player? Thats the '90's Bulls without Pippen and Rodman. The '80's Lakers without Worthy and Byron Scott. The '80's Celtics without Mchale and Parrish. Huge downgrades.
 

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Yall keep saying that like GS didn't improve at all. The had the most significant jump in NBA history and you telling me Kyrie or Love will make a difference....not by a long shot.
the answer to your question is YES and YES..why is it so hard to imagine that yes GSW is better and YES CAVS are better too?
 

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Yall keep saying that like GS didn't improve at all. The had the most significant jump in NBA history and you telling me Kyrie or Love will make a difference....not by a long shot.
GS improved because curry got better. stop sucking dikk.
 

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Lets not forget that the Cavs took it to 6 last year without their 2nd and 3rd best players.
Because they were playing a different style, Lebron isn't going to be handling the ball every possession, Love and Kyrie will take shots and struggle and the game will be sped up to GSW liking. Also Dalladova did a nice job on Curry (not really), Curry will kill Love/Frye/Kyrie P&R all day.


AND WARRIORS ARE A 10X BETTER TEAM THAN LAST YEAR THEMSELVES
 

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Westbrook>> Kyrie

Green >>> Love

Klay >>> JR

Bogut >>> TT

MVP >>> Mr eastern conference champion
Don't know why you're comparing Westbrook and Kyrie, but after the past few games that is WRONG. Westbrook's matador defense was completely exposed and he couldn't stay in front of curry period. So with no defensive advantage, Kyrie is better with a wide offensive advantage and feel for the flow of the game. Westbrook was essentially a sieve to the entire team the last two games.
 

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Because they were playing a different style, Lebron isn't going to be handling the ball every possession, Love and Kyrie will take shots and struggle and the game will be sped up to GSW liking. Also Dalladova did a nice job on Curry (not really), Curry will kill Love/Frye/Kyrie P&R all day.


AND WARRIORS ARE A 10X BETTER TEAM THAN LAST YEAR THEMSELVES
So they can play 10 teams at once?
Lol nah I am messing with u. They are much better.. the have a crazy amount of plays
 
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