Are The Roots the most overrated group of all time
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YES YOU ARE OVERRATING.
when were they building momentum to be mentioned with the greats? they were BARELY even a b-list group for their era. so how were they building momentum to be an all-time great group? youre not talking sense breh.
lol @ laface not being the biggest machine in black music. maybe I said it wrong. I'm talking about laface/arista breh.
youngbloodz had a bigger hit than goodie mob. I know that much.
Soul Food was their momentum. Then they had Still Standing. Being a B-List group for their era means nothing. Hip Hop was still a budding a genre at that point and few if any groups occupied the special place that groups like Run DMC, Public Enemy, and NWA occupied from the 80's and were still influencing the 90's. Then you had Tribe, Wu, and Bone.
Then you had (no order):
Geto Boys
Mobb
Kast
Dogg Pound
Fugees
Then you had groups like:
Goodie Mob
CNN
Lost Boyz
La Face/Arista could never push anyone into greatness.
Youngbloodz having a bigger hit than Goodie Mob is neither here or there. I'm saying if they really were about pushing artists into greatness, they could've propped up Youngbloodz.
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and since when are groups like the lost boyz & CNN ever mentioned as all-time greats? youre proving my point with every post.
your initial statement was that laface didn't have the biggest machine of all the black labels. don't try to change it up now.
and my point is, if goodie mob was so great, they would've did better with the push that they had. same thing with outkast. they were a b-list group themselves. but at least they were upper b-list.
That's not my list of all time greats. That's just how I see those groups being classed in the 90's.
La Face didn't have the biggest machine of all the Black labels at least not when it came to Hip Hop. Especially if you're throwing Arista into the mix. Bad Boy was bigger.
OutKast was not a B-List group. If you're putting Goodie Mob at B-List, there's no way OutKast isn't A-List.
laface is the MAIN thing under arista. they go hand-in-hand.
just admit that you weren't up on it. you do this all the time whenever you get caught arguing about something that you don't know. you spend the next 5 posts trying to save face(while still arguing about the chit) and you just make things worse. you aint gotta lie to kick it.
I didn't say hip-hop. I said BLACK MUSIC. but hip-hop is apart of black music. goodie & outkast sold more on laface than they would've sold on a rap label. we probably wouldn't even be talking about them right now if they signed elsewhere.
outkast was indeed b-list. they were top-level b-list tho. goodie mob was bottom. theres levels to this.
and no, I didn't say that was your list of all-time greats. I'm sayin the fact that you have goodie mob listed in the same boat as the lost boyz & CNN, goes to show you that they were never on pace to be an all-time group. you always kill your own arguments. BE SMART SON.
laface is the MAIN thing under arista. they go hand-in-hand.
just admit that you weren't up on it. you do this all the time whenever you get caught arguing about something that you don't know. you spend the next 5 posts trying to save face(while still arguing about the chit) and you just make things worse. you aint gotta lie to kick it.
I didn't say hip-hop. I said BLACK MUSIC. but hip-hop is apart of black music. goodie & outkast sold more on laface than they would've sold on a rap label. we probably wouldn't even be talking about them right now if they signed elsewhere.
outkast was indeed b-list. they were top-level b-list tho. goodie mob was bottom. theres levels to this.
and no, I didn't say that was your list of all-time greats. I'm sayin the fact that you have goodie mob listed in the same boat as the lost boyz & CNN, goes to show you that they were never on pace to be an all-time group. you always kill your own arguments. BE SMART SON.
La Face was under Arista just like Bad Boy was under Arista. No difference. La Face wasn't no MAIN thing under Arista. The keyword is under Arista. It wasn't a hand-in-hand.
Just admit that you weren't up on it.
Who knows or who cares what OutKast or Goodie Mob would/wouldn't have done if they were on another label. It's irrelevant because we will never know. There's no evidence to even support a claim like that.
There's levels to everything, but you stay making up criteria. You can't claim Goodie Mob is B-List and then claim OutKast is B-List, but say OutKast is upper B-List without giving a reason. At least offer up who you think is A List.
All of those groups had a great start. They had either or both classic albums or songs, which means they were on pace to be great, but for whatever reason, didn't pan out. It's the same as when people claim (insert any artist who started with a spark) had potential to be great. I mean in '95, you could say AZ and Raekwon were on their way to be among the greats, but even at the close of the 90's, they weren't viewed in that light.
lol @ the bolded.
and no, outkast would not have sold what they did if they were on a rap label. their sales & profile were boosted by the laface crowd. youre not gonna get those sales from a rap label unless you were running chit - which they were not.
and goodie was a spinoff of kast.theres levels to everything breh. you listed A-list groups, but none of those a-list groups were seriously in the convo with bone thugs & wutang. why? because those two groups were upper A-list.
youre trying to cover your tracks with the last paragraph. I see you. you didn't say "great" in your earlier posts. you tried to say they were on pace to be ALL-TIME GREAT. youre not slick at all man. I see you. cut it out.
and now youre comparing AZ & Raekwon to the f*ckin goodie mob. man this is ridic.
lol @ the bolded.
and no, outkast would not have sold what they did if they were on a rap label. their sales & profile were boosted by the laface crowd. youre not gonna get those sales from a rap label unless you were running chit - which they were not.
theres levels to everything breh. you listed A-list groups, but none of those a-list groups were seriously in the convo with bone thugs & wutang. why? because those two groups were upper A-list.
youre trying to cover your tracks with the last paragraph. I see you. you didn't say "great" in your earlier posts. you tried to say they were on pace to be ALL-TIME GREAT. youre not slick at all man. I see you. cut it out.
and now youre comparing AZ & Raekwon to the f*ckin goodie mob. man this is ridic.
Go ahead and laugh at facts.
You're making up stuff just to support an argument. Your whole claim about their sales and profile being boosted by the La Face makes no sense at all. You're only saying that to support the narrative that OutKast wasn't running anything. La Face had several rappers and none of them ever reached the heights that Goodie Mob or OutKast reached. Goodie Mob was not a spinoff of OutKast. Goodie Mob was it's own group.
Bone Thugs N Harmony and Wu Tang Clan are upper A-List groups based on what exactly?
I'm not trying to cover my tracks. Building momentum to be an all time great =/= which is where the AZ/Raekwon analogy came in. I don't care if what you think of AZ/Raekwon in comparison to Goodie Mob because that wasn't the intent. I only brought them up because they all laid foundations for being greats with their first albums after having guest spots on big albums. With Rae, it was him establishing a solo career.
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soul food and still standing was a great 2 album run. since then theyve done basically nothing but disappoint under the goodie mob name, but those two albums alone make them a top 5 southern group.
lol. you clearly weren't around. and that's cool, but then you insist on arguing about chit that you know you have no clue about.
who do you think built Atlanta into black hollywood? it was laface records kid. before outkast, goodie mob or any of them even got signed. you really need to do your homework before you jump head-first into a lot of these arguments. you always leave your ass hanging out.
bone thugs & wutang weren't by far the biggest groups of the era now?
do you know what a spinoff is? apparently not.
hot boys
geto boys
TRU
8ball & mjg
outkast
UGK
big tymers
3-6 mafia
goodie mob is definitely not top 5. you can argue them over a couple of these, but I might not even have them in my top 10.
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"lol. you clearly weren't around. and that's cool, but then you insist on arguing about chit that you know you have no clue about.
who do you think built Atlanta into black hollywood? it was laface records kid. before outkast, goodie mob or any of them even got signed. you really need to do your homework before you jump head-first into a lot of these arguments. you always leave your ass hanging out.
bone thugs & wutang weren't by far the biggest groups of the era now?
do you know what a spinoff is? apparently not.
Breh, that "you clearly weren't around" stock response you give pretty much everybody who disagrees with you isn't going to work here. It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. There's a lot of things that culminated into Atlanta being the Black Hollywood. You could say La Face played a role in that, but even saying that, you can't just discredit OutKast or even Goodie Mob. Those groups gave the mainstream a cultural and historical view of Atlanta more so than any other act on La Face ever did. Other events helped propel Atlanta into what it is now which include the Atlanta Braves being a staple in the World Series in the 90's (and finally winning one in '95), Atlanta hosting the '96 Olympic games (which brought the world to Atlanta and is possibly one of the single most important events that put Atlanta where it's at). That's not including Freaknik. A lot of this coincided with OutKast and Goodie Mob blowing up. I know you're not in here trying to argue that Atlanta was Black Hollywood in 1991 because that was before OutKast or Goodie Mob were signed. Kast signed with La Face in '92 and Goodie signed somewhere between '92 and '94. Atlanta has been known for much such as being influential during the Civil Rights movement, but it wasn't exactly a Black Hollywood.
Where did I say Bone Thugs and Wu Tang weren't the biggest groups of that era? I asked for your opinion on why Bone and Wu are upper A-List. What criteria are you basing this on?
Goodie Mob wasn't a spin off of OutKast. Again, it was it's own group. The only thing you could be alluding to with this is that Goodie Mob's debut was initially going to be a Dungeon Family group album specifically because DF was initially called Goodie Mob.
Hot Boys- out of the three albums they dropped, only one of them made an impact (Guerilla Warfare)
Geto Boys- definitely over Goodie
TRU- Tru 2 Da Game is the only real contender from the group and even that one's arguable. TRUE, while dope, is really only known for the original "Bout It" and it's overshadowed by "Bout It II" which came the following year. Da Crime Family isn't noteworthy at all even though I liked it then and still listen to some of the songs now. I don't even count that album they dropped in '05.
8Ball & MJG- Got them over Goodie
OutKast- got them over Goodie
UGK- got them over Goodie
Big Tymers- Nah. They had some dope songs, but overall, they ain't seeing Goodie Mob
3-6 Mafia- Yeah.
Sometimes it sounds like they not even playing in the pocket or on key 
Like a barely organised mess
As a group they cool
As a band of musicians they kind of garbage
Like a barely organised mess
As a group they cool
As a band of musicians they kind of garbage
stopped reading right there.
typical internet move that you always go to.
and then like 5 minutes later, you end up arguing with 1 or 2 people that are agreeing with me.
why do you always put your head on a swivel? and its obvious that you dont even know what youre talking about, so I'm not wasting my time with another essay from you. lol. you didn't even know about the laface machine, then you tried to cover it up in laters posts. more chit that you always do on here.
Why argue with me instead of defending your claim? It seems to me, you hide behind the ol' "I'll just try to belittle the person making the counterargument" instead of defending what you're stating.
And you're really going to sit there and say I end up arguing with 1 or 2 people that are agreeing with you? You're in threads arguing with multiple people using multi-quotes like they are going out of style. Then on top of that when people ask you to clarify or justify what you've stated, you don't even attempt to.
