At one Point DMX was considered better than Hov

[mobbinfms]

and that's your personal opinion

Yeah. I’m not trying to shyt on that album. I bought it on release date and think it’s a really dope album. But this hip hop shyt is way deeper than we realize.
How many albums on this list would you put it over?

 

[JustCKing]

Some ridiculous statements being made in this thread:

- so because Reasonable Doubt wasn't praised as a classic, it is somehow revision that it is now a classic? Most albums that are classics weren't necessarily instant classics.

- When did being the bigger rapper mean being better?

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Just because you start out hotter or pickup steam in a moment doesn’t mean you can’t get lapped if you’re not consistent...

Consistency and longevity is the key...

DMX was arguably better/hotter than hov beteeem 98-00.

I see some people in here get all revisionist about heir favorite artists moment(s) neglecting to assess their consistency and longevity....


Just my .2

Hotter yes

Better never

 

[10:31]

Hotter yes

Better never

DMX was arguably better than Hov from 98-00

 

[MoneyBags]

He roasted Jay on Jigga my nikka

smh, DMX ain't even on Jigga My nikka, that's a solo Jay song off the RR first compilation

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

DMX was arguably better than Hov from 98-00

Not even remotely

I lived that era breh. He was amazing and a breath of fresh air but he has never been a contender for top 5 at any point in his career. Y'all confusing being hot with being the best.

DMX was on fire but Jay was still out rapping him.

 

[Cloud McFly]

Not even remotely

I lived that era breh. He was amazing and a breath of fresh air but he has never been a contender for top 5 at any point in his career. Y'all confusing being hot with being the best.

DMX was on fire but Jay was still out rapping him.

Agreed. After 98, he was definitely the bigger artist, but was never considered a top tier mc at the time.

I remember Hov, Pun, Jadakiss, Canibus, Nas, Eminem, Andre 3000, Redman, Mos Def, and Prodigy being in top mc conversations then.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

No clown....your exposing yourself... In 98'...Hov was still seen as the better rapper embraced by the streets and commercially coming of age. The difference was the get money nggas and wittier fans gravitated more towards Jay...whereas the grittier nggas gravitated more toward X. Either u was fukkin wit the ROC heavy at that time (Jay...Bleek...and Beans)...flashier nggas or you were fukkin wit RR (X, Eve, Lox, Drag)....the grittier crew. X's tidal wave was crazy because he was filling the void of an energetic street ngga (a la Pac type ngga)...and he was embracing movies....and everything else. At no point was anyone fukin wit Hov as far as wordplay or anytime he blessed a track They were just two sides of a coin. Of course you wouldn't know all this because...it was before you were cool square....

you make these distinctions and you don't even know who youre talking to.

i'm more of a "fly get-money nicca".

DMX was clearly more popular than jay.

and the ruff ryders/rocafella debate is stupid. ruff ryders way WAY MORE popular tnan rocafella back then. this isn't even a debate. rocafella didnt get its weight up on THAT level until state property was formed.

Jay was still buzzing from Vol. 1. There was the Streets Is Watching soundtrack. There's "Money Ain't A Thang" that dropped that summer. "Can I Get A..." and HKL dropped that Fall and the rest is history.

Master P was not bigger than DMX is 1998. X was a phenomenon in 1998 as wad Jay. You'd have to include No Limit as a whole to even support such an argument. Master P on his own was not bigger than X.

South Park is an adult cartoon, but the same level of corniness exists on both Mase and P's behalf.

No Limit was definitely the biggest label of 98. But that's a whole different story.

master p WAS no limit tho.

95% of those albums were moving strictly because of his stamp.

neither jay nor dmx were capable of such.

Nope. He wasn't certified Plat on Vol 1 until February 1999. 4 months after Vol 2 dropped. When Vol 2 was already 4x plat. So I don't think we can say his sales immediately doubled.

he might've been certified in '99, but I remember them celebrating platinum in '98.

certs are usually late.

I’m tempted to say “facts”

But this is a universal opinion that most who lived through the saga remember.

In a lot of ways, Reasonable Doubt flew under the radar in 96

Lol 2 years later when damn near every album made the list. Stop it.

shyt didnt even go gold by the end of 96 when it dropped. Like i said, revisionist history. Wasnt a classic til jay told yall it was a classic.

IDAHIH 4x platinum by 2000
Reasonable Doubt 1x platinum by 2002

6 ppl were bumping reasonable doubt in 1996. The worst type of history is revisionist history.

reasonable doubt did more than what it was supposed to do.

it was an independent street album. and yes, it was a street classic in real-time.

I don't know why this board penalizes it for not being the commercial smash that it was never intended to be in the first place.
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There wasnt 100 hip hop classics in jan 98 so the 2 dont mean the same thing

yes there were.
yes indeed there were.

there weren't many classics afterwards tho.

and I'm not saying that I agree with the entire list, but reasonable doubt definitely deserved to be on there.

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Damn. Hell on earth>> rd

I think they was just being nice, playing politics. Gotta give jay the rub since he became sich a big player at that point.

But i digress

reasonable doubt is way better than "hell on earth"

play politics for what?? jay wasn't no big player in January '98.

and may I add, this is another reason why I cant put jay over DMX or master p in '98.
jay didn't reach that level until the end of the year.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Agreed. After 98, he was definitely the bigger artist, but was never considered a top tier mc at the time.

I remember Hov, Pun, Jadakiss, Canibus, Nas, Eminem, Andre 3000, Redman, Mos Def, and Prodigy being in top mc conversations then.

half of these names weren't getting any burn.

yall be confusing whoever you think is the best lyricist with the best rapper.

being hotter >>>> being a top lyricist.
and some of these names you dropped are overrated lyrically anyway, but that's besides the point.

 

[Cloud McFly]

half of these names weren't getting any burn.

yall be confusing whoever you think is the best lyricist with the best rapper.

being hotter >>>> being a top lyricist.
and some of these names you dropped are overrated lyrically anyway, but that's besides the point.

They may not have been getting anywhere near as much burn as DMX, but they were definitely on the radar, and not some local acts nobody knew about.. Those names were definitely in the best mc's conversation at the time.

 

[King Karim]

OP spit nothing but facts in the 1st post...salute

 

[JustCKing]

master p WAS no limit tho.

95% of those albums were moving strictly because of his stamp.

neither jay nor dmx were capable of such.

You're comparing an entire label to a solo artists which speaks volumes of how huge Jay and DMX were in 1998. No Limit even reached out to Jay for features.

Most of the albums that were successful weren't because of his stamp. Many No Limit fans copped albums for a Mystikal feature before they would a Master P feature. That's evidenced by all of the features he had on some of those albums. He was all over Ghetto D and Da Last Don. That's not counting the other No Limit albums that dropped that year. All of those albums had a uniform sound courtesy of Beats By The Pound. No discredit to P, but to say those albums moved units strictly because of Master P's stamp is overrating him.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I feel ya i just think the tour kinda put jay in the spotlight more than prolly deserved. Every song on vol 2 did become big but in my head off remembering they became big kinda AFTER/during the time of the tour. Not before.

X was already a star by time can i get a dropped. Money aint a thing was out but that was a jd song really. Jay z JUST started catching that real steam at the end of 98 with hard kbock life and money cash hoes which to me is really a dmx song ft jay. I remember people bumping flesh of my flesh just as much as HKL if not more.


Idk i just saw jay strategically put himself the headliner when he was JUST getting to Xs level of stardom. Vol 2 went 5x cause of that one song but x was doing 5x with no real super smashes just ya avg hip hop shyt.

Jayz: vol 1: 1x plat. Vol 2: 5x plat, vol 3 3x plat , dynasty 2x plat
Dmx: idahih:3x, fomfbomb: 4x plat, attwx: 5x plat

Idk. To me dmx was a MUCH bigger star than jay until jay drolled blueprint and it became aboyt him and nas.

Jay is very smart. He knows how perception is reality. I just think x had jays number until great depression which sold 440k in its first week but only went platinum while blueprint sold a lil less and went double. Jay had the staying powet and wisely moved his attention to nas which was a whole nother thing.

I agree with you on DMX.
I was arguing against you saying that red & meth were bigger than jay-z. that was nowhere near the case. they could've been replaced on that tour and it would've did the same numbers,

and it wasn't just one hit breh. darn near the whole album was a hit.
and jay blowing up was further from the tour than you think. he took off when school started. the tour didn't begin until a lil before spring break.

but yea, DMX was definitely bigger in 98-99. but rocafella put the tour together. the name says it all. and jay was close enough to DMX status. same situation with the "roc da mic" tour 5 years later.
I think if it was a def jam tour, they would prolly make X & Jay co-headliners, with DMX closing the show. everybody knew he should've been the one closing the show on the hard knock life tour, instead of jay.

and yea, I always say, jay is the smartest rapper ever, particularly when it comes to perception. even to this day, he has people thinking he owns the Barclays center and was the owner of the Nets.

 

[mobbinfms]

DMX was arguably better than Hov from 98-00

IDHIH was better than Vol 2. Easily.
But Vol 2 was better than Flesh.
Vol 3 > And Then

 

[mobbinfms]

Not even remotely

I lived that era breh. He was amazing and a breath of fresh air but he has never been a contender for top 5 at any point in his career. Y'all confusing being hot with being the best.

DMX was on fire but Jay was still out rapping him.

I could see an argument that IDHIH X was outrapping Vol 2 Jay.