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I dont have the time to type the paragraphs it would take to break it down but I just had a debate about this on Memorial Day. The bar is really low and the potency of it lessens everyday. That is what happens when art forms become businesses controlled by corporations. They take something thats 100% use 60% of it and try to pass it off as the whole 100% when its actually a strained 60% but to the untrained eye its the full 100%

When wu-tang dropped it was different but is was good. They all had skills and they moved to the beat of their own drum. They were undeniable as a force. All their classics they got were not called classic instantly like cats say now. I was bumping enter the 36 chambers like it came out yesterday for years. thats a classic.Classics stand the test of time.

Most of the rappers now are go with the flow rappers with no lyrical ability backed by a machine telling you that they're hip-hop. They've watered down the value of skill. An average rapper from 94 can out rap any rapper popping now. They dumbed the people down so hard now.

You have never had to be potent lyrically to be successful in hiphop.

You never had to make what old heads consider classic, timeless music to be successful in hiphop.

Everyone in this thread is a bunch of clowns.

Lets ignore how much a like the 90s are to todays rap and focus on the differences.



Its very simple fam

It all comes back to replay value. Music today has zero replay value. Who is really still bumping Thank Me Later? Who can manage to stay awake through a J-Cole disc?

Meanwhile OB4CL is still razor sharp. Capital Punishment is still raw, lyrical and fun. Even the chintzy shyt that dated itself still has some entertainment value. Like today I woke up and I had Juve's "Follow Me Now" stuck in my head. There's albums young nikkas were calling classics 2, 3, 4 years ago that nobody talks about now. But nikkas still talk about Illmatic and shyt.

If this generation wants to make music that's respectable it has to be memorable and layered. Music today is very simple and disposable. Rappers are afraid to compete and not talented or technical enough to make memorable multifaceted records. Very very few people today are making rap records that make you say 'hold on rewind that i missed that'. But there are discs from 10, 20 years ago that I listen to now and still find new shyt in. Its no comparison

:dafukk::dafukk::dafukk:

Thats a classic.

Its really asinine to argue Replay value. Its totally based on you needs,wants and preferences of music.

Like, I can't Bump any Wu tang stuff once.

But, I will never get tired of TML.
 

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You have never had to be potent lyrically to be successful in hiphop.

You never had to make what old heads consider classic, timeless music to be successful in hiphop.

Everyone in this thread is a bunch of clowns.

Lets ignore how much a like the 90s are to todays rap and focus on the differences.





:dafukk::dafukk::dafukk:

Thats a classic.

Its really asinine to argue Replay value. Its totally based on you needs,wants and preferences of music.

Like, I can't Bump any Wu tang stuff once.

But, I will never get tired of TML.

The men are talking. lipstick alley is :ufdup: way
 

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You have never had to be potent lyrically to be successful in hiphop.

You never had to make what old heads consider classic, timeless music to be successful in hiphop.

Everyone in this thread is a bunch of clowns.

Lets ignore how much a like the 90s are to todays rap and focus on the differences.





:dafukk::dafukk::dafukk:

Thats a classic.

Its really asinine to argue Replay value. Its totally based on you needs,wants and preferences of music.

Like, I can't Bump any Wu tang stuff once.

But, I will never get tired of TML
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i came in to defend the new guys, but that post is just gay :gag:
 

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The only aspect of rap I'll say that has "evolved" is the production tip, which is a good thing. As long as that part is alive, Hip Hop won't die out.

that hasn't evolved either.

most of the beats now sound cheap, cheesy, simple & shabby. and that's mostly because everybody is a "producer" now. its nothing to see somebody with a bum @$$ beat program on their computer. and these are the type cats that are getting on now. nobody even knows the names of the producers anymore. lol. nobody cares.

I mean theres always a few beats that come out every year that are str8 pushing the envelope and make me go :whew:. and then theres always a few tapes out there where a producer may have knocked most of the beats out and got his chit off.

but on the overall tip, the production game is :scusthov:
 

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Growing up, I just lived in the moment....didn't do any of this over-analyzing and ":ohhh: is this advancing the culture and artform to such a degree that I may pontificate about it 10 years from now" silly ass muh'fukkas be talking about...either I thought shyt was dope and I bumped it, or I wasn't digging it and I didn't too much pay it any attention...never gave too much of a shyt about wu-tang...but like when Snoop or Bone or Kast hit the scene, it was just dope shyt that I enjoyed without any care in the world on if fukking Wish Bone was advancing the technical aspects of rapping in the way that Rakim had years prior...far as if the current generation is letting nostaglia stand in the way of appreciating current stuff...nope, not really...that's mainly just messegeboard nerd fodder...most people enjoy shyt the same way I enjoyed it back in the day...it's only when young cats on here and listen to all these cliche jaded ass nikkas cry get on their rap game Al Bundy shyt that they start overthinking shyt...
 

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Part of the problem is people nowadays try to make shyt classic. Some shyt that came out 2-3 years ago "oh, it's a classic". Do you realize how desperate and insecure you sound?

If it's classic it'll be classic. You don't need to say anything. It'll be classic 20 years from now. It'll be so obvious, there won't be a question about it. Proclaiming new shyt as classic seems desperate as hell. To address the thread, nobody did that back in the day. An album came out, and people either liked it or they didn't. As time went by, certain albums stood the test of time, and/or were seen as the defining sound of that era. Those albums, eventually you had the hindsight to look at the bigger picture, and their placement in rap, and say "that shyt is a classic".

I can only half blame this on this gen, because the internet is the root of this shyt. People are hit with so many albums, singles, mixtapes, throw-away verses, etc. 24/7, 365 that their brain is now programmed to make snap decisions on the value of the music. "This is trash, that is classic".

Fred.
 

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Part of the problem is people nowadays try to make shyt classic. Some shyt that came out 2-3 years ago "oh, it's a classic". Do you realize how desperate and insecure you sound?

If it's classic it'll be classic. You don't need to say anything. It'll be classic 20 years from now. It'll be so obvious, there won't be a question about it. Proclaiming new shyt as classic seems desperate as hell. To address the thread, nobody did that back in the day. An album came out, and people either liked it or they didn't. As time went by, certain albums stood the test of time, and/or were seen as the defining sound of that era. Those albums, eventually you had the hindsight to look at the bigger picture, and their placement in rap, and say "that shyt is a classic".

I can only half blame this on this gen, because the internet is the root of this shyt. People are hit with so many albums, singles, mixtapes, throw-away verses, etc. 24/7, 365 that their brain is now programmed to make snap decisions on the value of the music. "This is trash, that is classic".

Fred.

Man, shut up.

No one is trying to make classic albums.

People are trying to make hit songs so they can get paid.

Same as back then.
 

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Man, shut up.

No one is trying to make classic albums.

People are trying to make hit songs so they can get paid.

Same as back then.

You gotta be retarded or something. :heh:

Re-read what I said, then get back to me.

Fred.
 

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I read it, I just felt the need to spaz on you.

If by spaz you mean say something that had nothing to do with anything I said, because you have sub-par reading skills, then yeah. You definitely spazzed the fukk out.

Fred.
 

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When any classic record dropped.
You knew it was a classic,as soon as it dropped.
Classics are and will forever be like that.
Off the first spin, you know it is a classic.

Wu-tang, for instance was so prolific.
I remember in late 92, when the shyt came on hpk.
I still have the tape and its original broadcast.
I still remember waiting a whole year for the twelve inch.
Back then, culturally you knew artist were relevant and skilled in that early part of the nineties.
To the point you knew the record would be crazy or a classic off one single
alone.
Now, the rappers nowadays are all offkey, and technically inferior and dated.
To the point,...finesse with mike smooth sounds like it is forty years in the future lyrically.
Not to mention, how he up'd skill on the awakening.
Also,...
Back then the rise in skill level was also a distinct attraction for an established culturally relevant artist.
So, on the second joint...
You always checked and immediately noticed how dope the skills had gotten.
Now, this Gen of rapper never improves and never champions the culture.
So, you get inferior skilled submissions, with no upside and no further attraction to their draw.
Back then, every emcee improved.
Especially, rae and gf,..who on the original incarnation of the 36, were both offkey and close to the weak link in the clan.
Except they both up'd skill to unseen levels way beyond anyone could have ever thought.
Plus,brought covert slang into rap which pretty much has been decyphered and become standard speak, for rap as a whole on obfcl.
Back then,...
You had no real idea or ability to decipher wu as clearly as you do now.
Ater twenty years of reference.
Plus, the entire industry biting their content and scope after obfcl.
Which also,...allowed the new school way of thought to allow the content.
Which before then was given a negative because of old school way of thought principles after cowboys death.
When, ot came to drugs.
Which is also,..why early southern artist and west coast artist.
Suffered from backlash culturally, as well.
For not adhere'n to the issues of drug and the monumental death of cowboy.
Of which mobb deep provided and got over first, with a bit of negative scrutiny.
Then, obfcl totally by way of intrigue to slang, content,mystique and production.
Allowed the soothing of the lines to allow more dopeboi content and characters to be accepted from a cultural standpoint.
Which then, gave way to sellout jiggy rappers with street content.
Which was all from coc/yaggfu/umc's being labeled the first Wu tang biters.
Where even,...jay arose from.
In his seeking put big l to improve as well.
Who floated the line of credible artist.
Which was added onto the line of nas biters.
Before wu's impact globally.
Only one male rapper and one female rapper were given passes all together, at that exact time.
Fat Joe, and Lauren for lifting nas.
Both were on two sides of the spectrum.
One was the highest selling artist in a group, soon to be the highest selling in all of music as a solo, in Lauren.
The other was the somehow ghostwritten accepted draw of fat joe from ditc.
Besides that, any other artist found out to have culturally damning situations.
before those five artist, was pretty much irrelevemt culturally and a non-draw because of it.
Biz is/still one of the few first exceptions.
Yet, his style of music was so profound and part of a profound collective.
Nobody ever raised or compared biz's situation to fat joe's.
When ideally they are one in the same.
Except, fat joe never had biz's natural mic presence or ability to sell a record to the point you never minded.
So outside of a few situations.
If you were not culturally relevant,mindfull or respectful.
You would not be given the props at all.
Let alone build a career that would draw past your first project.
After hammer and ice were thwarted.

If rap would have kept its cultural connection, as artists and bboys/bgirls artistically.
Rap could have re-righted itself and owned its own real cultural grassroots platinum status.
To the point mad never had to make a sellout iww type of record.
Nas would have went double off the strength of culturally relevance, quality of record and skills.
With no commercial damning record.
Which should have taken a hit like miss Jones did for the original don't take it personal.
Yet, az's sugarhill offered the first debut high selling credible lyricist rnb collab.
Which, probably influenced nas's cover of if I ruled the world with a deploy whodini drop and Lauren.
Nas could have just dropped another large pro, based single with sample hook.
Plus still sold,...platinum.

Devoid of the addition of Leo Burnett's hip hop fueled global marketing run.
Plus, rap would have created its own real sales spike era.
Without payola or sellout jiggy acts preying on the emotional loss of big.
To the point,...
Even if all the sellout shyt occurred.
The culture if left unscathed and link to rap.
Would have easily rebounded from this current time as well.
Yet, since commercial jiggy-ism, culture thievery and a revenue cash grab all occurred at the same time.
From a concerted effort with industry support.
It eliminated the culture from using the protection mechanism to put everything back into balance.
Since that was disturbed, it made everything go awry.
Plus allowed for toy nikkas and sellout's bytchassness.
To become the prevalent ideal connected to rap.
Which now acted devoid of hip hop.
Rap is now just pretty much rnb without any cultural connection.
Which means it will fall prey to what the cultureless rnb draw did.
Which is fakkitry/house/disco pagan-fruitbooty garbage.
Which rap and the culture of hip hop was the anti-thesis of.
As far back as herc vs hollywood.
Which is why Hollywood is never credited with being the godfather or originator of this culture.
As he and his parties had no culture.
Whereas herc provided a dancehall/roots/ tribal connection to people socially devoid of commercial highpoat bullshyt.
Now, there really is no way to re-right rap as a draw.
As it has been sucks into rnb.
Which was a business model it was firmly juxtaposed from in creation and inception.
rap was made so,...
As a business it would he backed by a culture.
To prevent the bullshyt that occurred and poisoned the music industry and the world in the first place.
Which was disco fakkitry and malicious business practices.
That ruined the cultural and artistic submissions and integrity of people from impoverished beginnings.





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Growing up, I just lived in the moment....didn't do any of this over-analyzing and ":ohhh: is this advancing the culture and artform to such a degree that I may pontificate about it 10 years from now" silly ass muh'fukkas be talking about...either I thought shyt was dope and I bumped it, or I wasn't digging it and I didn't too much pay it any attention...never gave too much of a shyt about wu-tang...but like when Snoop or Bone or Kast hit the scene, it was just dope shyt that I enjoyed without any care in the world on if fukking Wish Bone was advancing the technical aspects of rapping in the way that Rakim had years prior...far as if the current generation is letting nostaglia stand in the way of appreciating current stuff...nope, not really...that's mainly just messegeboard nerd fodder...most people enjoy shyt the same way I enjoyed it back in the day...it's only when young cats on here and listen to all these cliche jaded ass nikkas cry get on their rap game Al Bundy shyt that they start overthinking shyt...

:steviej: Exxxxactly...

All that mattered was is this shyt hard or not, do I like this shyt or not, etc. None of fthat mega-critical shyt, especially as a teenager. At 14, I wasn't thinkin' about whether I was gonna still like 36 Chambers in 20 years, I just gave a fukk about having batteries to play the shyt on the way to school the next day, and when I was gonna get some puss.

Funny story tho'- when I started DJing, I went to the store to pick up some new shyt and I had an oldhead tell me that they weren't gonna last. He was tellin' me to get an Eric B & Rakin record instead cause "that stuff right there, that's just for now music, that ain't timeless". Some of the records he was referring to were "Shook Ones Pt. II", "Brooklyn Zoo", "Big Poppa/Warning", and "Mad Izm"... :mjpls:
 

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This thread is really fukking dumb

Y'all sound like overly analytical versions of your parents
 
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