Black people need more patriarchy not less

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

breh what are you even talking about?

what makes bow wow not a square?

Bow Wow is a lame bruh I aint arguing this, y'all just acting like he a square and he isn't even if he a phony he still operates within that mold bruh.

Russell Wilson looks like his opening pick up line is to ask you if you have accepted Jesus as your lord and savior? Can he win a fight, I'm sure he can. Is he a p*ssy, probably not. Don't change the fact he is a complete square bruh, and if Ciara wanted a man like him she would of had him.

Bow Wow will prolly tell a broad to suck his dikk to hit his blunt in the middle of rolling it, and all types of rogueish ass shyt, I know he will cause he has interviews on that level. Can he win a fight? Hell no, not against anybody over 5'6. Is he a p*ssy, he got fukked in the ass by his manager and the guy still alive so yeah he p*ssy.

Still don't change the fact in her absolute physical prime and peak of stardom Ciara chose Bow Wow, 50, and Future as her significant others, none of them guys operate anywhere close to Russell Wilson bruh. Like I said it isn't about if Russell could of pulled her, and all about if Ciara even wanted a Russell Wilson when she was younger which going by who she actually dated is a definitive no.

 

[Savvir]

Bow Wow is a lame bruh I aint arguing this, y'all just acting like he a square and he isn't even if he a phony he still operates within that mold bruh.

so in her peak she chose a lame square nikka...

exactly my point

 

[8.TRES]

Because you’re not listening. This thread is not about broader American culture or the norms and expectations of broad American (white) culture.

You’ve set up a straw man and wasted your time attacking something I was never talking about.

This is 100% focused on black American society’s cultural norms and current conditions. Your arguments have only served to distract and deflect from that focus.

Blacks and whites have completely different stats on female vs male headed households. Like literally the reverse of the other. Whites exist in a clear patriarchy and blacks exist in a matriarchy. It’s like two parallel universes existing side by side

Black Americans exist in a matriarchy. Majority of our households a run by women. That is a statistical fact. So the real question is has matriarchy worked for us?

you explicitly stated yourself that your "real question" is has matriarchy worked for us. my only argument has been that we do not exist in a matriarchy, and attempting to say that is disingenuous, implies a fundamental misunderstanding of what a matriarchy is, and will not lead to any productive discussion or solutions

the title of your own thread is black people need more patriarchy, which tells me that you don't even know what a patriarchy is.

a woman-led household in a patriarchal society does not exist as a matriarchy. that is an incomplete family.

if you're interested in discussing the cultural values of black American society and the impacts that having majority woman-led households has on the family structure, which is a very necessary discussion, don't just throw the words matriarchy and patriarchy around.

American society is patriarchal, there's no color line or separation based on ethnicity, that is a fact.

 

[Dallas' 4 Eva]

so in her peak she chose a lame square nikka...

exactly my point

How is Bow Wow a square though? He may be a lame, he aint a square. Russell is a square, Bow Wow is a lame.

 

[born of fire]

I don't care who the bytch fukks with

someone who doesn’t care wouldn’t argue about it for as long as you did

 

[Savvir]

How is Bow Wow a square though? He may be a lame, he aint a square. Russell is a square, Bow Wow is a lame.

you think being a fake hood keeps you from being a square?

whats your criteria?

you keep dancing around my questions

 

[Sandy_Cheeks]

Might as well change the thread title because it is 50-11 pages of Ciara, Russel, and Bow Wow bullshyt.

Y’all have the attention span of a toddler. Can’t even stay on task with the topic at hand without getting caught up in shyt about Ciara that doesn’t even matter.

The real issue is men simply choosing Not to be leaders. Not leaders of themselves, leaders for their households, not leaders for their kids... Nothen. Leadership has lost its value to many men. A lot of men don’t even attempt or try to do any true heavy lifting that can benefit the collective.

However.. ima let y’all cook.

 

[semicko82]

Might as well change the thread title because it is 50-11 pages of Ciara, Russel, and Bow Wow bullshyt.

Y’all have the attention span of a toddler. Can’t even stay on task with the topic at hand without getting caught up in shyt about Ciara that doesn’t even matter.

The real issue is men simply choosing Not to be leaders. Not leaders of themselves, leaders for their households, not leaders for their kids... Nothen. Leadership has lost its value to many men. A lot of men don’t even attempt or try to do any true heavy lifting that can benefit the collective.

However.. ima let y’all cook.

This

 

[Rell84shots]

Fathers are overrated. I grew up in a single parent home on the same 60 acres as 4 of my first cousins with 2 parent homes yet all them MFs in jail for Attempted Murder for shooting at people

That explains your avi

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

By literal definition, the black community in our country is a matriarchy.

Our families, households, communities, schools and organizations are disproportionately led and
populated by women.

Boys and men occupy a marginalized place within the community (black father household residency is now considered "optional").

matriarchy[ mey-tree-ahr-kee ]

noun, plural ma·tri·ar·chies.
a family, society, community, or state governed by women.
a form of social organization in which the mother is head of the family, and in which descent is reckoned in the female line, the children belonging to the mother's clan; matriarchal system.

Definition of matriarchy | Dictionary.com

 

[old boy]

dope thread my G. what's interesting is that i recently broached this very topic in the coliseum in relation to a superstar nba player's behavior. now understandably for most they would say what does matriarchy vs patriarchy have to do with something sports related old boy? either you have an axe to grind with said player or maybe you just want to use this as a platform to shyt on black women. because of course, i spoke directly of this superstar player's mother. i was cited for an infraction by the admin and banned from that thread, first time ever

and that's fine, all forums have to uphold a certain standard. but i do wish i had a chance to really show the difference between black men raised in a matriarchy vs those in a patriarchy and tie everything together with that superstar player's recent (and general historically speaking) behavior. and then give solid examples of others. there is a HUGE difference, patriarchy is desperately needed in our community

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Probably the most influential book on encouraging poverty-focused public policy to fund single black motherhood in the early 1970s was "All Our Kin" by white sociologist Carol Stack.

She studied black single mothers in Chicago during the late sixties, and found them to be "strong" and "resilient."

Summing up, welfare policy then zeroed on providing "support" for mothers and their children, completely ignoring black fathers for decades. The cohesive mother-father-wife-husband black family/black community was doomed.

The rest is history.

 

[Bossino]

Might as well change the thread title because it is 50-11 pages of Ciara, Russel, and Bow Wow bullshyt.
Y’all have the attention span of a toddler. Can’t even stay on task with the topic at hand without getting caught up in shyt about Ciara that doesn’t even matter.

The real issue is men simply choosing Not to be leaders. Not leaders of themselves, leaders for their households, not leaders for their kids... Nothen. Leadership has lost its value to many men. A lot of men don’t even attempt or try to do any true heavy lifting that can benefit the collective.
However.. ima let y’all cook.

Before I get to the other misconceptions in this thread, I gotta start with this. You're one the better posters too, but you're talking about an effect/symptom of the problem not the root cause. A good father teaches a boy standards, how to maneuver, and get things done consistently. In essence how to plan, manage and be responsible. Those three aspects comprise leadership. If these good men are not seen as desirable they won't get the opportunity to pass this knowledge on to their own children. Moreover if the number of women who find them desirable is too low in their community, they'll either quit or move to a different community. I say that to say something @Dallas' 4 Eva @Youseenmywork and others on this forum if they're honest can attest to.

In the U.S. the average black woman, due to media (music, movies, TV), upbringing, and environment is more attracted to black men with an edge/dangerous element. IT DOESN'T matter how legitimate this is aka wanna-be-thug/fake gangsta, nor the tier of edge weedman, scammer, moving work, gang member. With looks being equal if these type of men are put against "square" men who work regular 9-5s the majority of black women 18-25 are choosing the former. There's a ton of reasons for this but the short term thinking is in the forefront edge dudes tend to have flash to themselves, tend to spend, show more aggression/masculinity even when unnecessary, they don't necessarily feel pressed to save/plan for the future and are usually have more "mouthpiece" as they have more downtime to shoot game at women. Conversely 9-5 dudes generally have less energy/mouthpiece due to lack of free time, don't want to waste their money, because they know making it is most of their day. These guys are usually more reserved and less overt.

In the long term 9-5 dudes not only survive but if they don't fukk up there money and if they get promotions/gain experience end up ok, but in the short term black women 18-25 see that as boring and the antithesis to the protecting/providing/edgy baller. It's only after they hit a wall and often end up with a child that they seek these regular stable "square" 9-5 men. In growing amounts these "square" men are holding grudges against they type of women who dubbed them when they younger and now want them after almost a decade of them working hard and being more or less alone. Chiefly due to the fact they see the legal financial stability and safety they can provide. So if this is the leadership you're speaking on that again falls on spousal selection. I know a ton of solid brehs who black women just aren't checking for, yet.

 

[Bossino]

To those arguing about Bow Wow/Ciara/Russell

Bow Wow is corny, but he's actively trying/tried to portray a hard/street rapper image, and mix it with those types. Women aren't great at reading authenticity that's why they complain about guys fukking them and never talking to them again, most men could tell a woman if a dude is just tryna fukk easily by asking her certain questions about their interactions. But women WANT to believe the lie that their that special and every guy wants their person as opposed to their body. It's the same with wanna-bes if it's not plainly apparent or clear you're NOT what you claim you can get mad women off lies. Whether one chooses to do so or not speaks to character.

Russell is a true "square"/regular guy because he never claimed anything else and is comfortable in it. I know maaaad guys like him. No malice in my heart for people like him. I respect those who know who they are and are comfortable with themselves. If you asked him he'd probably tell you he couldn't get Ciara at 20/21, and it wouldn't bother him. Those types of men are mad receptive to life as it comes, tbh.

 

[Black Steph Curry]

Was this nikka a square? Or was he a street nikka that bust his guns and moved dope across the Atlantic while pimping bytches on the side?

you think being a fake hood keeps you from being a square?

whats your criteria?

you keep dancing around my questions

shyt ain't as simple as yall make it out to be. Young women in general are already gullible to begin with. Ciara grew up a sheltered square in the suburbs, you think her young ass had the understanding let alone the presence of mind to be checkin nikkas credentials to see who's solid?

Hindsight is always 20/20, in 2020 it's easy for a bunch of grown ass men who grew up in the hood understanding and observing what real street nikkas are to mark a nikka who constantly shows his ass and takes self inflicted L's broadcasted on social media for the mark he is. As opposed to the days when the greatest amount of exposure you had to artists were in controlled spaces like music videos, interviews, and award shows. I'd be willing to bet to young naive ass ciara back then, bow wow or 50 cent, it was all the same to her. Some popular rap nikkas, all in the videos, dipped in urban attire, making music she likes, selling an image.

You see when she actually dated him and realized beyond the gloss the nikka was a mark all along, she moved on and "graduated" to 50 cent, a real street nikka?