Black people...search your feelings. Do we think reparations can be effectively fought for in 2020?

[Hood Critic]

Whats funny is all of the counter-points are based on immigration and universal healthcare, two issues that are now considered "platform" issues. Neither one was considered important enough to run on 20-30 years ago and there is an obvious reasons for that - the landscape of political thought and make up of government. Both are different today, as evidence of the ACA and programs like DACA. Both are shifting again with socialists and progressives dominating the field.

We aren't there yet but what we are seeing is the root of what will be an eventual 3rd party when the Democratic party eventually splits. That is when you will be able to seriously negotiate reparations because the black and minority vote will be essential to all, not just one party.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yes and no.

Reparations as in descendents of slaves get a check? Probably not.

Reparations as in a middle/lower class economic stimulus plan? Yes and I think it’s imperative at this point before we have a real modern depression the world has never seen before.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

We aren't there yet but what we are seeing is the root of what will be an eventual 3rd party when the Democratic party eventually splits. That is when you will be able to seriously negotiate reparations because the black and minority vote will be essential to all, not just one party.

this is the real event i'm waiting for. nikkas in here got mad as hell at me for bringing it up. but current america is ripe for breaking out of the 2-party system. the dems are trying to cast too wide a net as repubs continue to consolidate...

 

[Donald J Trump]

Yes and no.

Reparations as in descendents of slaves get a check? Probably not.

Reparations as in a middle/lower class economic stimulus plan? Yes and I think it’s imperative at this point before we have a real modern depression the world has never seen before.

thats not reparations then

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Yes, it is completely feasible.

1. Cost: Trump estimated that illegal immigration costs 200 billion per year. If reparations cost 1 trillion, that's 5 years worth of what we are paying for illegal immigrants. But yet you have Democrats wanting to do and pay everything for illegal immigrants, but saying reparations are not feasible.

2. If black people would band together behind this issue and vote for the party that promises to do this, and not vote for any party that doesn't, it would absolutely get done. Democrats have no hope of winning without the black vote. Republicans could shore up their support and easily win majorities if they even got 25%+ of the black vote. Democrats pander to lgbt, illegal immigrants, Muslims, etc and promise them tangibles, while offering nothing to black voters, because black people keep voting Dem no matter what.

3. If a Republican candidate called the Democrats out on their pro illegal immigration/anti reparations stance, and promised reparations, I think a lot would vote for them. Black people are one of the most conservative groups in the country. Highest & against illegal immigration, most against the lgbt agenda, highest % in the military. If the Republican party would drop the racism and do some real talk on reparations, I think a lot of black people would vote for them. Especially if they kept their foot on the neck of an Democrat voting against the wall/against deportation etc while not supporting reparations.

I've been watching Professor Black Truth on Youtube, and a lot of his points make a lot of sense. If black people started voting black interests, a lot would start getting done.

Ninjas using data from Trump to advocate a wealth redistribution to black folks

And then y’all get mad when people call y’all trolls

 

[Hood Critic]

this is the real event i'm waiting for. nikkas in here got mad as hell at me for bringing it up. but current america is ripe for breaking out of the 2-party system. the dems are trying to cast too wide a net as repubs continue to consolidate...

It is and we will continue to see more and more evidence of that especially in the run-up to 2020.

 

[CBSkyline]

It doesn't matter how feasible it is, there is literally no other option but to demand reparations. Blacks are on the death march to absolute poverty under the status quo. Under Democrats and Republicans alike, black wealth is approaching 0 and the racial wealth gap is growing.

I repeat, there is no data that shows a correlation between black people voting and the wealth gap closing in a meaningful way. Blind voting without reparations won't do shyt, we have decades of data showing trickle down doesn't work. We have the data showing Democrats haven't done meaningfully better than Republicans at closing the wealth gap.

If you continue to blindly vote without demands for redress, at best you get nothing. Politicians aren't going to give you reparations if they know they have your vote without it anyway.

If you treat your vote as something to be earned and don't vote without a reparations promise, at worst you continue to be ignored, i.e. status quo which is what would've happened if you voted blindly, but at best you put enough pressure to actually get some meaningful redress.

It's like knowing you're on the train to the death camp. You might as well try and fight the guards, even if you think it's unlikely you'll beat them.



Report: The Road to Zero Wealth - Institute for Policy Studies

It's the Black climate change. Folks can remain in denial, but the science is in. If we don't change course and start advocating for a transformative politics, life is going to get hot

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

No one gives a fukk about all that bullshyt nikka, people just want what's owed to them. I #ADOS gang for making reparations a global topic. Hopefully this will lead to reparations for all people of African descent worldwide.

If we’re being real.., Namibia has made the most headway for reparations. I think they’ve got Germany in court now.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Democrats are unlikely to do this, as black people are already voting for them by 90%+. Their problem is black turnout, though. That said, if they can get elected while caping for illegal immigration, Muslims, and lgbt, which are all smaller voting blocks than black people, they can advocate for reparations.

I could absolutely see Republicans doing this. The extreme racists aren't likely to vote democrat, so they would be neutralized. There would be a silent understanding among Republican voters that this is a relatively low cost way to buy the black vote for the next several decades, thus insuring their policies can stay in tact. Republicans have been very worried that demographic shifts will make them irrelevant. If they can get black voters on their side, or at the least break up the black vote so it's not all Democrat, they can counter this.

This is what @Barnett114 is talking about

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

It is and we will continue to see more and more evidence of that especially in the run-up to 2020.

No it isn’t

If anything, trump’s administration has made people more dug into their respective parties.

 

[jj23]

To demand reparations and be taken seriously, black people need to show they have power.

That is all it takes.

 

[jackson35]

Warren, Harris back reparations for black Americans affected by slavery

No matter how educated we are, no matter how smart, no matter how right we are white people always want to take a hundred steps back. Everything we know, they won't admit. They won't engage. They will unlearn. Hate. Fear.

Talking about reparations is considered hate speech to these people. Trump is going to get these "moderate" white people. And after 2024 there is no pendulum for us. White people just regress further.

Or...could a candidate step in and Christopher Hitchens/Ta-Nehisi Coates these people into knowledge and shame? I would be impressed if Warren or Harris could do it, but I doubt there are enough dem strategists who are capable of being knowledgeable and supportive of these positions. Lastly, conservatives would rather burn the country down than pass a single reparations dollar. They would put in someone twice as insane as Trump just to punish us for even talking about it.

the white elite do not have to take position on reparations because the top millionaires and billionaires for have invest for a long time in various area specifically affecting black folks

 

[Hood Critic]

No it isn’t

If anything, trump’s administration has made people more dug into their respective parties.

You clearly missed the part about the Democratic party splitting at some point.

 

[[Something Cool]]

I find it interesting that it's even being brought up by national candidates, but what would reparations even look like at this point? A single payout, plots on federal lands, tax breaks? Without specifics this is just lip service/pandering, it's early in the campaign so we should reserve judgment until Warren/Harris put together their platform.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

this is the real event i'm waiting for. nikkas in here got mad as hell at me for bringing it up. but current america is ripe for breaking out of the 2-party system. the dems are trying to cast too wide a net as repubs continue to consolidate...

what are the policy fault lines?