Can an argument be made that todays rappers are more talented than "golden era" rappers??

[Eastwoodjones]

You are assuming that financial success equals quality music.
I do not agree with that assumption.

OP stated that he assumed that today's rappers were "better" than the previous generations due to the prevalence of hip hop on the billboards, which is simply a measurement of album sales, I would be willing to argue just because an artist goes platinum and another goes gold does not imply that the better selling album is the better album artistically, but that is the question he posed. For those who argue better music = more album sales than my point stands, and that is how some define good music. I see you don't, and I don't either, but I was just presenting an argument for why hip hop has grown in popularity among the general population.

 

[semicko82]

OP has a point. Young Thug would rap circles around Big Pun obvi

 

[Eastwoodjones]

You're basically saying more money = better music

There is a relationship, however, and while it may not be concrete, it exists not only in music but in any arena of life. like I said in my reply to @mobbinfns, many people use popularity and album sales to define good music, and I think there is some truth to it.

 

[semicko82]

There is a relationship, however, and while it may not be concrete, it exists not only in music but in any arena of life. like I said in my reply to @mobbinfns, many people use popularity and album sales to define good music, and I think there is some truth to it.

If that's the case To The Extreme is the best rap album of all time

 

[hex]

another things nikkas is forgettin..is hip hop started out as a bunch of "call & response" records, to get the party jumpin and bytches open (i.e throw ya hands in the air, and wave em like you just don't care)...if anything, hip hop now is what the originators envisioned it being years ago

That's like saying movies started out in black and white with no sound so let's go back to that.

That "call and response" shyt was largely prior to it even hitting a national level. It was mostly local. I been into rap since 1985....by the time the late 80's rolled around that shyt was mostly dead. So nah....going back to that isn't "the roots"....it's a regression. It started out as that because nobody knew what else it could be....that doesn't mean that's what it should be.

Fred.

 

[Eastwoodjones]

If that's the case To The Extreme is the best rap album of all time

And according to you the best rapper alive can fail to sell a single album or get 1,000 views on YouTube.

 

[Still Benefited]

Rapping with more melody has already been done and much better, it's called Dancehall. It's been raps cousin genre since damn near inception.

Bone Thugs also perfected these bytch nikkas style w/o the auto tune overdose which is used to cover the weak melodies they spitting

They don't know Bizzy forgot more unlocked flows and melody than all of today's rappers possess combined






Hendrix aside

 

[Still Benefited]

And they accuse us of nostalgia,but if you only like the current shyt better because that's what you grew up on,that's worse than nostalgia....y'all just some nikkas caught up in the moment.

I've had time to realize alot of the shyt I liked growing up was wack in hindsight....y'all day of reckoning is coming,it's gon be sad 10 years from now when 90% of this era is just a footnote in hiphop

But you'll have yourselves and the dikkriding of Kanye,the antichrist of hiphop

 

[hex]

Lil Uzi - XO Tour Life.... like 40 Migos records..... Meek got joints.... Drake got joints.... I'm not bouta sit here and name every one..... because the people who actually enjoy today's music understand the point of the thread... if you're not even into todays era of music, theres nothing I can say to change your mind...we have streaming now... you can listen to all the old classics you want

Keep in mind, I actually love BOTH eras (yes, its possible) but I understand both are bringing something different to the table


the old heads had BARS.... the young nikkas got HITS (without sampling hits or getting some random chick in the booth).... the young nikkas got ENERGY... the young nikkas got flows that never been heard before (songwriting).. thats why they take it so personal when someone jacks their flow I guess... its just DIFFERENT........ the producers are so much more epic in their production too which plays a big role in the music too....

comparing the sauce of today to the sauce of yesterday is like comparing apples and oranges....

you either like it or you dont.... but we have streaming, so you can enjoy what you prefer

Breh you're talking a gang of nonsense all through out this thread.

People nowadays don't have some kinda inherent hit making ability....due to streaming their entire album is singles. They have 15-20 chances for a song to blow up, vs 1-4 chances from official singles back in the day. I'm not weighing in on either way being better but the odds of a song being a hit now are far greater due to fans directly deciding that via streaming.

Secondly, I'm how you keep talking about rappers back then needed to sample a hit or have a female....BONE was going 3-4x plat....Pac was going 3-10x plat....BIG was going 4-10x plat....Outkast 3x plat, Snoop 3x plat, Wu-Tang 4x plat, etc etc etc. You might say "but everyone was selling!" which is my point....rap was literally just rap and as a genre it was going toe to toe with every other genre on the planet.

And it was just rapping. Not singing. Not trying to cross over into other genres. The biggest "rapper" currently in the game is Drake and half his songs aren't rap. His biggest songs ("Hotlline Bling", "One Dance") aren't even the same genre.

Lastly cats get upset over flows being bitten because that's all they have. Migos claims people bit them and that flow has been around since 3-6 and Lord Infamous. There really ain't a new style or flow under the sun.

Fred.

 

[semicko82]

And according to you the best rapper alive can fail to sell a single album or get 1,000 views on YouTube.

Yep if we're talking about quality. Throughout history some quality music sold and some didn't sell.

 

[Jerz-2]

...now you have to be a strong performer on stage, be melodic and harmonize hooks, know how to hold your own on the dance floor, look good and dress fresh...you have to be really talented to make it in the game today

Credibility immediately in the damn toilet.

 

[Mob H]

I thought this was gonna be a legit discussion on how technical skills may have increased over time, only to find a thread talking about nikkas looks and clothes.

 

[AlainLocke]

I thought this was gonna be a legit discussion on how technical skills may have increased over time, only to find a thread talking about nikkas looks and clothes.

A lot of rap fans are like groupie hoes...

 

[CrimsonTider]

Breh you're talking a gang of nonsense all through out this thread.

People nowadays don't have some kinda inherent hit making ability....due to streaming their entire album is singles. They have 15-20 chances for a song to blow up, vs 1-4 chances from official singles back in the day. I'm not weighing in on either way being better but the odds of a song being a hit now are far greater due to fans directly deciding that via streaming.


Fred.

This is incorrect.

Songs being sent to radio work the exact same as they did back then and the 3rd or 4th single is determined by fanfare just like it was back then.

No ones entire album is singles.

 

[Ya Sinning Mane]

Not at all.lmfao