Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[dora_da_destroyer]

They don't present them as not knowing all the answers, though, they usually speak with an authoritative tone.

do you present your opinion or understanding as question every time you talk? i don't even feel like rappers try to come across as authorities (on shyt other than trappin and fukkin bytches ) dudes just spitting their feelings and thoughts. shyt would be garbage if there were no conviction or confidence behind the lyrics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

no it doesn't...you really posting this like jay had any objective view of breh at that time? like jay aint gonna big up himself?

portier posted by far the best definition, this jay z shyt fugazi

No. It was fair game.

Nas has a history of trying to be this hood sage while wavering between consciousness. Its low-key insulting.

Its the same dudes who buy into all these bullshyt conspiracies but don't understand anything beyond that.

Don't get it twisted...a lot of rappers are fukking idiots. They can make catchy shyt, but they're not the brightest dudes. They always catch hell when they open their mouths outside of a recording booth.

Thats the same reason J Cole has fans. His music is wack but people buy into his whole "college educated" BS and think that listening to him makes them by proxy "more esteemed and refined" listeners.

Conscious rap music, most of which sucks by most fairly objective standards (if we can ever approach such a thing), is favored by people who will trade in music quality for music message in order to secure favor from their peers as being a moral authority.

The white community does not do this, by the way. Death metal fans can also be school teachers and community leaders and scholars.

The fukked-up state of the black community means that all of our media has to be completely upstanding in the eyes of the mainstream to get any acclaim from gate holding critics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

do you present your opinion or understanding as question every time you talk? i don't even feel like rappers try to come across as authorities (on shyt other than trappin and fukkin bytches ) dudes just spitting their feelings and thoughts. shyt would be garbage if there were no conviction or confidence behind the lyrics.

Thats the thing. Thats how they're marketed.

Look at Kendrick's fan base.

Its overwhelmingly white.

Thats because they view him as a post-racial social savant...he's not a threat to them.

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

no offense to jeezy cuz maybe breh is brighter than his music, but i think that song is squarely in line with the amount of depth and analysis i'd expect from a rapper like him. it's like yall really want to create too narrow of a field of content for rappers to use

I just don't understand naming a song My President Is Black and not even talking about Obama not one time, but instead throwing a few lines about George Bush and crude oil. That's why I say it's fake deep, the content of the song doesn't even match the name of the song

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

this will lead back to a circular reference - no clear definitions of "fake deep" just hurt feelings that certain artist can touch or mention subjects that others can't. nas aint never been fake deep, dude spits his truth and moves on. fake deep seems to squarely be "i don't want to hear an artist spit about a subject that makes me think"

Nas is fake deep sometimes.

Look at Distant Relatives. If it was him by himself, I'd have hated the project. Thus I was thankful Damian Marley was on there to cover most of the bases.

Nas often doesn't offer enough lyrical dexterity on the song...he just says the topic then moves on.

Look at Lupe however. He IS that nerd who really wants to share knowledge so what does he do? He talks about HOW things are done, not just that they are done.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

never understood what that meant either it just seem like some hating shyt.

Well in that case, theres no problem with this song, then is there?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

As much as I liked the song, My President Is Black is in my opinion a fake deep song

eh, song was more celebratory.

Hell, you could argue Jeezy's "The Recession" isn't fake deep...dude is talking about real people in real situations at a real moment in history.

None of it is contrived or attempts to score cheap points. He isn't taking the edge off his music for white audiences. He's talking to his people and his surroundings.

...oh, and it sounds good.

If it sounds good, you can escape most of the "fake deep" criticism

 

[Concerning VIolence]

It's hater shyt, plain and simple.




someone I don't like speaking with a conscious = fake deep, hotep

someone I do like speaking conscious = genius, intelligent

Its the same reason so much gospel music sounds like flat out trash.

Excuse me?

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

no it doesn't...you really posting this like jay had any objective view of breh at that time? like jay aint gonna big up himself?

portier posted by far the best definition, this jay z shyt fugazi

Ask a subjective question then disagree with the answer
Is it oochie wally or is it one mic

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I just don't understand naming a song My President Is Black and not even talking about Obama not one time, but instead throwing a few lines about George Bush and crude oil. That's why I say it's fake deep, the content of the song doesn't even match the name of the song

it's jeezy

 

[mobbinfms]

its lazy lines where you name drop victims of police brutality instead of referencing the topics in a more visceral way.

So here you want police brutality to be described in a visceral fashion.

Fake deep songs try to score points with easy lay-ups on social issues instead of casting issues in a more subversive way.

Here you would want police brutality cast in a subversive way? What does that mean?
What is an easy layup on police brutality?

The songwriters can integrate the themes more subtly so as to meld the vibe and scene of the music in a way that allows you to enjoy the message more cleanly

Here you seem to be saying you want themes of police brutality to be subtly integrated into music so as to meld a vibe?
That wouldn't be a visceral description for sure.

Breh. What the fukk are you talking about?

 

[Poitier]

do you present your opinion or understanding as question every time you talk? i don't even feel like rappers try to come across as authorities (on shyt other than trappin and fukkin bytches ) dudes just spitting their feelings and thoughts. shyt would be garbage if there were no conviction or confidence behind the lyrics.

Even if a rapper isn't intentionally trying to be an authority, they play into it.

Like why does Kendrick feel fit to speak on gangbanging in LA when he has no depth when I can clearly cut on Vince Staples and get a much clearer picture of the trials and tribulations of that lifestyle?

"Fake deep" might not be the right word but you can clearly tell when rappers are not talking about things they have either experienced themselves or read up on extensively.

 

[CrimsonTider]

there's no such thing.

It's just a term used by people that know their favorites can't keep up lyrically, conceptually or even musically with the best.

This would assume that lyrical rappers are deep which is far from true

@Poitier gave the textbook definition

Now do some people use it to dismiss certain artist like how c00n is used on this site...yes

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

It's hater shyt, plain and simple.




someone I don't like speaking with a conscious = fake deep, hotep

someone I do like speaking conscious = genius, intelligent





Excuse me?

I don't care for purposely conscious music...if it sounds good, thats all I care about.

I'm not an idiot. No one I associate with is an idiot. We have degrees, money, careers, etc. We aren't bottom feeders. We have our shyt together.

We want to be entertained.

If that entertainment ALSO includes some dope shyt to talk about, so be it.

This is an example of conscious music done fairly well:

Its entertaining first, and promotes a positive message second.



Entertainment must always come first. If not, go read a book, attend a lecture, finish a degree, etc.

This is music, not school.

I don't need to be berated with shyt I already know and experience by people who can't express it as well or as thoughtfully as those topics deserve.

Gunplay, Freddie Gibbs, and Kodak Black have made more "conscious music" as throwaways than Kendrick has.

Sue me.

@Poitier @xCivicx @bigbadbossup2012 @FruitOfTheVale @Cadillac

 

[I AM WARHOL]

Fake deep to me is more like when stans try to convey meaning onto lyrics that the artist clearly didnt intend. They just stretch things to make there favorite artist sound more meaningful than they actually are.

Another meaning of fake deep is when the artist starts throwing out hot button subjects with vague context. Where you know if you pushed them more on the subject, there knowledge would be superficial. Its like when someone uses a word and you know they dont entirely know what that word means.