Can someone explain "fake deep" to me

[David_TheMan]

They are in that bracket based on income, but if they live paycheck to paycheck they are NOT middle class smh

In correct, living paycheck to paycheck is a sign or poor financial management, not whether you or middle class or not.

I posted stats already

Nothing you posted disproved anything I said, just more deflection from the topic smh

Black people owned less than 1% of all wealth in America when slavery ended

Black people own less than 1% of all wealth in America right now as I type

Income is the lie that is used to justify keeping black people in the economic state that we are in. Income means NOTHING WOTHOUT ASSETS, which black people don't have for the most part.

You seem to be personally offended by facts smh. Your post was one big emotional appeal

Are y'all done deflecting yet? Can we get back on topic??

The stats you posted didn't support your claim, they didn't say black poverty was the majority of the black population. Hell didn't even say the majority of black kids grew up in poverty. So again try to actually read what you post.
No one was having a discussion of wealth, stay on topic.
Income isn't a lie, income is income, saving and investing income is how you develop or purchase assets. What is the main asset that is transfered to children from whites? Inheritance, which is stored up or saved income. Time for you to also take a intro economics class as well as a personal finance class, you are lost on simple facts of economics.

How am I personally offended by facts, when you haven't presented any facts to support what you claim.

What is there to deflect, you literally have no idea what you are talking about.

The average black person cannot pull $1000 together in an emergency. That is poverty no matter what you think you know

The average black person is adversely affected by gentrification. That is poverty no matter what you think you know

The black person is adversely affected by economic downturns. That's poverty no matter what you think you know

The fact that you think there some sort of tangible black middle class speaks to your own ignorance, especially since even high income black families still live paycheck to paycheck


I like how hard you're deflecting from the fact that you can't explain Kendrick's lyrics

How do you know what the average black person can afford to pull together? That literally is something you can't average because it varies depending on the person. SMH
Poverty in economic term in the US is less than 25k a year for a household of 4 I believe, that is the criteria, not what you feel.
How is the average black person adversely affected by gentrification when the average black person doesn't live in a urban environment where gentrification takes place?
Majority of all americans regardless of race are effected negatively by economic downturns, using your logic 99% of the population is in poverty.
The fact that you don't understand there is a black middle class that is the largest single block of black americans in the US, in terms of households, shows how committed you are to the lie and myth of black inferiority.
Living paycheck to paycheck isn't a black thing, its a poor financial management thing. There are plenty of millionairs who live paycheck to paycheck, again we have you trying to conflate poor personal behavior and financial management to black ness and its shows how engrained black inferiority is in your subconcious. You look at the world and probably associate black with being less than, subpar, sickly, poor, criminal, and etc. Like that white supremacist Wolf Blitzer, "So Black" indeed.

 

[the cac mamba]

Jayz ballad of a fallen soldier is the definition of fake deep

what about that song where Big's talking to him in a dream and he uses the whole song to praise himself

 

[xCivicx]

In correct, living paycheck to paycheck is a sign or poor financial management, not whether you or middle class or not.




The stats you posted didn't support your claim, they didn't say black poverty was the majority of the black population. Hell didn't even say the majority of black kids grew up in poverty. So again try to actually read what you post.
No one was having a discussion of wealth, stay on topic.
Income isn't a lie, income is income, saving and investing income is how you develop or purchase assets. What is the main asset that is transfered to children from whites? Inheritance, which is stored up or saved income. Time for you to also take a intro economics class as well as a personal finance class, you are lost on simple facts of economics.

How am I personally offended by facts, when you haven't presented any facts to support what you claim.

What is there to deflect, you literally have no idea what you are talking about.



How do you know what the average black person can afford to pull together? That literally is something you can't average because it varies depending on the person. SMH
Poverty in economic term in the US is less than 25k a year for a household of 4 I believe, that is the criteria, not what you feel.
How is the average black person adversely affected by gentrification when the average black person doesn't live in a urban environment where gentrification takes place?
Majority of all americans regardless of race are effected negatively by economic downturns, using your logic 99% of the population is in poverty.
The fact that you don't understand there is a black middle class that is the largest single block of black americans in the US, in terms of households, shows how committed you are to the lie and myth of black inferiority.
Living paycheck to paycheck isn't a black thing, its a poor financial management thing. There are plenty of millionairs who live paycheck to paycheck, again we have you trying to conflate poor personal behavior and financial management to black ness and its shows how engrained black inferiority is in your subconcious. You look at the world and probably associate black with being less than, subpar, sickly, poor, criminal, and etc. Like that white supremacist Wolf Blitzer, "So Black" indeed.

You just went off on like 3 different tangents and you projected a bunch ofnyour born feelings onto my posts

So most black don't live in urban areas?? Who's living in all these major cities then??

Poor financial management is a sign of poverty simpleton smh

 

[David_TheMan]

You just went off on like 3 different tangents and you projected a bunch ofnyour born feelings onto my posts

So most black don't live in urban areas?? Who's living in all these major cities then??

Poor financial management is a sign of poverty simpleton smh

I'm asking why you are committed to a dogma of black inferiority that doesn't match reality. You are on this thread denying a black middle class even exists when its been the largest single block of blacks for the last 10 years, even though it is shrinking. I'm asking what is behind your commitment to feelings and ideals that aren't reality.

Yes most blacks don't live in urban areas. Non-blacks make of the majority of inhabitants in the US living in urban areas. No, Most Black People Don’t Live in Poverty—or Inner Cities
No poor financial management isn't a sign of poverty, its a sign of poor financial management. Elon Musk has declared bankruptcy twice, unable to pay creditors, you think he is living in poverty? If you do, again you show your ignorance of what you are talking about, "fake deep"

 

[The Plug]

The average black person cannot pull $1000 together in an emergency. That is poverty no matter what you think you know

The average black person is adversely affected by gentrification. That is poverty no matter what you think you know

The black person is adversely affected by economic downturns. That's poverty no matter what you think you know

The fact that you think there some sort of tangible black middle class speaks to your own ignorance, especially since even high income black families still live paycheck to paycheck


I like how hard you're deflecting from the fact that you can't explain Kendrick's lyrics

We can further this talk in this thread

Is your average black American living in poverty?

Let's stick to the Kendrick shyt

 

[DonKnock]

I always see this thrown out about dudes like kendrick, lupe, joey badass, sometime cole – basically anyone coined as creating songs "with meaning" or "depth" yet i never see anyone explain what makes them fake deep nor does anyone offer examples of who/what is "real deep"

Can someone post some examples of "fake deep" verses vs. "real deep" verses for me? Can I get the coli official list of "fake deep" artists and "real deep" artists?

Fake deep is a term coined by Drake stans to compensate for their champion's lack of subject matter past relationship troubles and wealth acquisition.

Under this paradigm, real deep would include artists who also restrict their subject matter to both of these two topics and nothing more.

• Ex: Meek Mill is critiqued by Drake stans as having limited subject matter as he only fulfills one of their required categories (wealth acquisition).

Conversely, fake deep would include any artists who venture beyond these two categories, as Drake stans have a similar lack of societal awareness to Drake himself, they cannot appreciate exploration of these topics and their intrinsic value.

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  It's why I like Damn and I don't like TPAB...spare me with trying to talk about complex and layered societal problems in a 3 minute song

  
  
  

 

[David_TheMan]

Fake deep is a term coined by Drake stans to compensate for their champion's lack of subject matter past relationship troubles and wealth acquisition.

Under this paradigm, real deep would include artists who also restrict their subject matter to both of these two topics and nothing more.

• Ex: Meek Mill is critiqued by Drake stans as having limited subject matter as he only fulfills one of their required categories (wealth acquisition).

Conversely, fake deep would include any artists who venture beyond these two categories, as Drake stans have a similar lack of societal awareness to Drake himself, they cannot appreciate exploration of these topics and their intrinsic value.

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fake deep existed before drake and kendrick.
Someone mentioned beyonce in this thread, another excellent example.
Have a super bowl performance dancing in black leather stripper clothes and a beret and saying that is a tribute to the black panthers.

 

[Murkman]

no it doesn't...you really posting this like jay had any objective view of breh at that time? like jay aint gonna big up himself?

portier posted by far the best definition, this jay z shyt fugazi

Like Nas is ever objective with everyone he ever had beef with? It's New York Rap, lmfao, those points still stand to this day, since when is beef from there "objective"?
How do you go from "Snuffing Jesus" to "Nastradamus" to "I Am", to "God's Son", etc?, not to mention in between the period where he was a wannabe Brand Nubian nikka, and felt like he owned Scarface's armory in "It Was Written" to balance his "realness" out.
Nas's whole career even by New York standards is nonstop fukkery after fukkery, like he didn't trend hop on that "Real Hip-Hop Is Dead" bullshyt too when he had the chance? Now in this decade he is trying to bring back that wave and "Nastradamus" - "I've predicted this all would happen, who doubted me?" grandstanding shyt.

Then he had that cringe fest "Street's Disciple" that not even Nas stans like talking about in retrospect. You nikkas give Nas passes for everything, and yet be on everyone else's case when they haven't fukked up and made those type of identity crises issues on their discographies.


Nas birthed "Fake deep", surface level pretense when other emcees we're obviously more knowledgeable and nuanced in subject matter at the time. I can't even take "Daughters" seriously, knowing how his stance on women changes every album, and doesn't know when it's either "bytches", or "Black Queens", or "young hoes", just randomly being thrown about in a verse.
But whatever, he made "Illmatic" so that's all required for the Coli to just co-sign EVERY nonsensical thing he does when the occasion arises.

He's why nikkas like Cole even exist, their perspective lacks consistency, logic and maturity as they get older. They use too many generalizations on topics that have essays written about, and always blaming someone else for problems that weren't the Black community's own doing.

They both really love using rappers as straw-men for entire "responsibility" projecting, as if their own hoods ever had role models, themselves included.

 

[DonKnock]

fake deep existed before drake and kendrick.
Someone mentioned beyonce in this thread, another excellent example.
Have a super bowl performance dancing in black leather stripper clothes and a beret and saying that is a tribute to the black panthers.

The concept certainly existed, but that's why i said the term was coined by Drake stans, not that the concept originated there.

 

[Murkman]

Exactly. Surface level knowledge will always be relative.

Explain then why Hopsin deserves respect as the worst "Fake deep" Conscious Rap artist ever. That shyt doesn't deserve one finger of could be turned into a dap.

Surface level can also be relatable to your demographic, if they all happen to have a reading comprehension lower than a middle school, Bobby Hill-esque fukkboy IQ range. Conscious Rap artists shouldn't be "surface level" leave that Dora the Explorer shyt the fukk out of here.
Give us the "Iceberg" level implications of the issue at hand, we're mostly adults now.
It's like what Chris Rock said on Native Americans not being featured at their own "events" always misrepresented everywhere:

"That's not Pocahontas, that's Jennifer Lopez! "

The more specific and resourceful you are with the knowledge, the better a writer, and more realistic you become. It also has to make logical, cohesive sense line to line, almost as if making a foolproof argument.
There's no excuse for "smokescreen bullshytting" given nowadays everyone can find videos dating in the span of your entire career, using your own hypocrisy against you - to your obvious attempts to manipulate the masses.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

pseudointellectual (plural pseudointellectuals) A person who claims proficiency in scholarly or artistic activities while lacking in-depth knowledge or critical understanding. A person who pretends to be of greater intelligence than he or she in fact is. Taken directly from google.

This is basically what Kendrick, Beyonce, and Monae are. They are hailed by the black mainstream, and other pseudo intellectuals as being deep, thought provoking, empowering, and intelligent, when in reality they are FAR from it. If you seriously asked Beyonce about some of the more serious issues of the community; let alone asked her what her solution would be, she would never give you an answer.

"You pretty much just said Beyonce is fake"- Well yes, that is the point. Pseudo intellectuals of course lack the ability to see another pseudo intellectual for what they actually are.

how you can read that definition and apply it to beyonce is beyond me. that girl has never done any of that, if anything she's built the opposite view of herself, the "aw shucks" downhome southern belle

 

[EndDomination]

Even if a rapper isn't intentionally trying to be an authority, they play into it.

Like why does Kendrick feel fit to speak on gangbanging in LA when he has no depth when I can clearly cut on Vince Staples and get a much clearer picture of the trials and tribulations of that lifestyle?

"Fake deep" might not be the right word but you can clearly tell when rappers are not talking about things they have either experienced themselves or read up on extensively.

 

[EndDomination]

More of GKMC was personal than his subsequent albums but there was a ton of impersonal content on the album as well. Take "Maad City" for example...

Spoiler: lyrics

Brace yourself, I'll take you on a trip down memory lane
This is not a rap on how I'm slingin crack or move cocaine
This is cul-de-sac and plenty Cognac and major pain
Not the drill sergeant, but the stress that weighing on your brain
It was Me, O-Boog, and Yaya, YG Lucky ride down Rosecrans
It got ugly, waving your hand out the window. Check yo self
Uh, warriors and Conans
Hope euphoria can slow dance with society
The driver seat the first one to get killed
Seen a light-skinned nikka with his brains blown out
At the same burger stand where hang out
Now this is not a tape recording saying that he did it
But ever since that day, I was lookin at him different
That was back when I was nine
Joey packed the nine
Pakistan on every porch is fine
We adapt to crime, pack a van with four guns at a time
With the sliding door, fukk is up?
fukk you shootin' for if you ain't walkin up you fukkin' punk?
Pickin' up the fukkin' pump
Pickin' off you suckers, suck a dikk or die or sucker punch
A wall of bullets comin' from
AK's, AR's, "Aye y'all. Duck."
That's what momma said when we was eatin the free lunch
Aw man, God damn, all hell broke loose
You killed my cousin back in '94. fukk yo truce
Now crawl yo head in that noose
You wind up dead on the news
Ain't no peace treaty, just pieces
BG's up to pre-approve, bodies on top of bodies
IV's on top of IV's
Obviously the coroner between the sheets like the Isleys
When you hop on that trolley
Make sure your colors correct
Make sure you're corporate, or they'll be calling your mother collect
They say the governor collect, all of our taxes except
When we in traffic and tragic happens, that shyt ain't no threat
You movin backwards if you suggest that you sleep with a Tec
Go buy a chopper and have a doctor on speed dial, I guess
M.A.A.d city

The bolded sections address the gang lifestyle in terms of "we" and "you" for the purpose of painting the picture of Kendrick growing up in an environment where his friends and associates made choices that resulted in entirely different paths from Kendrick despite all of them more of less starting out the same.

However, he also uses "we" to suggest that he has the authority to speak on the experiences of his friends and associates despite that he clearly did not make the same choices that they did. His personal story is on the "outside" of gangbanging despite being on the "inside" of growing up poor and black in Compton... If he does have more of a personal experience with the life/the system/the pain then it doesn't come across in his music.

Dude, that verse is very specifically about the violence going on around him. He doesn't have to turn into a hood White supremacist and murder Black children to talk about his personal experiences, his family members, and his neighborhood.
These goalposts are about a mile and a half away from where they started out.

 

[daboywonder2002]

In my opinion fake deep is when you try to be deep because it's now a fad or you trying to get likes on facebook or ig. Fake deep is more about being a follower and not a leader. Rappers like Krs and chuck d preach a positive message all the time. they never changed who they are. then there might be that one rapper who knows that being deep isn't their lane but their thinking is let me make a deep song for black lives matter or let me make a deep song to keep my core audience.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Dude, that verse is very specifically about the violence going on around him. He doesn't have to turn into a hood White supremacist and murder Black children to talk about his personal experiences, his family members, and his neighborhood.
These goalposts are about a mile and a half away from where they started out.

In the context of the album its also the point where some of his friends become "bad kids". Kendrick later writes from the POV of one of these bad kids on "Sing About Me" about where his life went after he made certain choices.

"My plans rather vindictive
Everybody's a victim in my eyes
When I ride it's a murderous rhythm
And outside became pitch black
A demon glued to my back whispering, "Get em"
I got em, and I ain't give a fukk
That same mentality that told my brother not to duck
In actuality it's a trip how we trip off of colors
I wonder if I'll ever discover
A passion like you and recover
The life that I knew as a young'n
In pajamas and Dun-ta-duns"

The album is about the "good kid" watching his day ones get sucked into the omnipresent cycle of violence and poverty in Compton.

It's also about Kendrick teetering on the brink between "good" and "bad" which is what my comment that you quoted is referencing. Some of his friends are banging and sometimes he's involved in certain situations by still associating with them (i.e. "Art of Peer Pressure").

The way he phrases some of his lines though he suggests that he was in a little deeper than mere association which imo is a clear device to sell the album's concept. He's a West Coast rapper from LA which in mainstream terms is the home of gangsta rap. He chooses to blur the narrative a little bit to give himself more license to tap into the voyeuristic suburban market who wants their rappers to have street credibility. He may be speaking to a real mentality that some of his friends had with lines like "fukk you shooting for if you ain't walking up you fukking punk?/Picking up the fukking pump, picking off you suckers..." but he's also throwing a bone to the folks who want gangsta theatre out of every rapper from the hood.