Golayitdown
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The Nexus series has all of the Google apps on it by default. When you get phones from carriers and manufacturers, it's a mixed bag of what you'll get.
Can someone explain Google's logic behind messaging in Android?
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The Nexus series has all of the Google apps on it by default. When you get phones from carriers and manufacturers, it's a mixed bag of what you'll get.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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So I'm guessing messenger is the default texting app.
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The only problem i had with andriod and particularly mms and group chat was sending gif files would not work with people who had a small text data limit... Iphone would compress gifs even if it wasnt an imessage so thier were no problems on a iphone
how do people still not get it?
This ain't about anti-choice. No one is complaining about the multitude of 3rd party options one has for texting and messaging. This is about the inefficiencies of Google developing separate apps.
Oh so only personal gripes?
I thought it was something of substance.In addition to the numerous points already raised in this thread, the other disadvantage to developing two separate apps with similar functions is that innovations/improvements made in one don't carry over to the other. For example, messenger has a nice feature of automatically assigning different color bubbles to each member of a group chat. This makes reading group messages much better....but hangouts doesn't do this
Not sure if this feature was there at all, but you're expecting two different apps with two different targets to have the same functionality. Essentially blurring the line between them beause...
you want it your way like BK. So this is a personal issue with not liking how things are done.
I haven't had GIF issues then again I'm not sending big ass gifs.
I have all of my previous talk history and I can seperate Hangouts and text if I want as well as merge both into the same contact message tree.
Secondly, of course it will list all of those with hangouts and probably not from others. Don't think that's annoying as I don't expect cross app interoperability like that unless you're given the option to import.
3rd, when I want message someone, I just want to send them a message...don't want to have to decide everytime wether it's an sms, mms, group, or whatever. If all I'm saying is "what's up?" Hangouts should be able to determine an sms is the proper route, or maybe a hangout is because the recipient uses hangouts...But do all that behind the scenes. A single convo may go from texts to gifs back to texts to a vid, who the hell wants to open a separate app depending on what they wanna send in the same conversation?
Hangouts for me automatically decides on what to do based on the last message received. I can change it if I so please. Last person sent you a hangouts message? It will adjust and reply with that. I use it all the time.
I have no problems sending photos using either the SMS or the Hangouts type. Again I'm not sending large files.
I use Hangouts as default as I have had no issues with it. No issues with group messages or SMS retardation. Most of my contacts have android but it I had no issues with Apple users. I can toggle between conversation type manually or let Hangouts do it automatic. I haven't had any problem bouncing between text and hangouts for the same user.
I don't use the stock or Chrome browser. I don't use Google's keyboard. I don't use Google's other messenger app. I don't use their music app. I'm not harping on whatever personal standard they can't adhere to. Hangouts is fine - for me.
Why does Google have two apps? AOSP Messenger isn't being developed anymore in favor of Google apps and there is no basic messaging app otherwise outside of OEM versions. Messenger just replaces the old SMS app for those who don't need Hangouts functionality. Why? Because you have the choice for it. Did Google have to do a keyboard? No. It is redundant with the plethora of keyboard apps. But they have one anyways.
All this huffing and puffing you can just find a better app if it's bothering you like that. Which is where my statement comes in. If you wanna whine full time or point out bugs file it in AOSP. There's other apps out there if Google stuff isn't providing you exactly what you want.
I've never used either of these. Never even knew what messenger was until I clicked this thread. I use handcent for text and also Facebook messenger for group chat. We use it for our league chats and haven't had any issues with it. Handcent works great for me also.
I know, one of the reasons I switched...Not for iPhone users
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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Oh so only personal gripes?
Not sure if this feature was there at all, but you're expecting two different apps with two different targets to have the same functionality. Essentially blurring the line between them beause...
So this is a personal issue with not liking how things are done.
I haven't had GIF issues then again I'm not sending big ass gifs.
I have all of my previous talk history and I can seperate Hangouts and text if I want as well as merge both into the same contact message tree.
Secondly, of course it will list all of those with hangouts and probably not from others. Don't think that's annoying as I don't expect cross app interoperability like that unless you're given the option to import.
Hangouts for me automatically decides on what to do based on the last message received. I can change it if I so please. Last person sent you a hangouts message? It will adjust and reply with that. I use it all the time.
I have no problems sending photos using either the SMS or the Hangouts type. Again I'm not sending large files.
I use Hangouts as default as I have had no issues with it. No issues with group messages or SMS retardation. Most of my contacts have android but it I had no issues with Apple users. I can toggle between conversation type manually or let Hangouts do it automatic. I haven't had any problem bouncing between text and hangouts for the same user.
I don't use the stock or Chrome browser. I don't use Google's keyboard. I don't use Google's other messenger app. I don't use their music app. I'm not harping on whatever personal standard they can't adhere to. Hangouts is fine - for me.
Why does Google have two apps? AOSP Messenger isn't being developed anymore in favor of Google apps and there is no basic messaging app otherwise outside of OEM versions. Messenger just replaces the old SMS app for those who don't need Hangouts functionality. Why? Because you have the choice for it. Did Google have to do a keyboard? No. It is redundant with the plethora of keyboard apps. But they have one anyways.
All this huffing and puffing you can just find a better app if it's bothering you like that. Which is where my statement comes in. If you wanna whine full time or point out bugs file it in AOSP. There's other apps out there if Google stuff isn't providing you exactly what you want.
I'm not gonna go back and forth with you about water being wet anymore....if you can't see the benefit of having a single app (and, again, this isn't about options, cuz that single app could be Google's or handcent, or gosms, or textra, or whatever you choose) that handles messaging regardless of how you initiate that message (whether you start from a new message in the app, from a continuation of a message thread, from your missed/recent call list, from voice activation, etc) AND regardless of what you're trying to send (a simple text, a pic, a vid, or a group message, whatever) AND automatically, behind the scenes, decides the optimal way to send that message (via WiFi, 3G/4G, sms or mms protocol, etc), then fine, go enjoy your phone.
But your experience could be better, and if you took your fanboy hat off for a second and actually listened to iOS users and fellow Android users who are not so blinded you would see this shortcoming and implore Google to do something about it.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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Yup and part of my motivation for creating this thread was to get one of the coli's triple OG platinum cert gang cats to chime in....but I guess they specialize in corporate infrastructure
The explanation I've always heard is that sms/mms are antiquated and we're using them (particularly mms) for far more than they were intended. The only reason I could think for not throwing them in the bushes is because of dumb phones still on the market. If that's the case, that sucks cuz the very few that I know with dumb phones, I'd never text...I wouldn't mind flipping a setting on my phone that improved messaging to everyone else but precluded my ability to message the dumb phone users.
With that said, I've went back to try the Verizon messages app. Obviously for VZW customers only, but this has the ability to send messages over WiFi. I've tried it with data off and was able to send texts and group messages to both vzw customers and other carriers over WiFi
That feeling of disgust when you about to txt someone for the first time and that message bubble aint blue (red for me, based jailbreak) 