ChatGPT Brings Down Online Education Stocks. Chegg Loses 95%. Students Don’t Need It Anymore
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IIVI
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Yup. Plus I just don't think it has a large database of Circuits problems.
It's much easier to parse through a bunch of LaTeX questions and resolve the logic from there, but things like Circuits that have a lot of techniques, simplifications, multiple approaches, a lot of pictures, etc. it struggles with bad.
Sometimes with these circuit problems you solve one portion, then you need to redraw the circuit and find the new simplification. It's not doing that and it's leading it to crap out. It also for some reason doesn't recognize the difference between simple configurations.
Math I can see it being ok, it's basically an equation solver like Wolfram is that can use a little more context to get the specific Math problems correct. Signals class because it's straight up Math-heavy and basically a Math class will probably be easy for it.
However, yeah things like Circuits when it's a lot less "rote" than that, and requires some critical thinking, it's struggling and can't solve it's way out of a wet paper bag. I didn't even try to throw in any Op-Amps, so any basic Electronics class I'm sure it's not ready for either.
Right now a glorified Google is the best description for it's current capabilities until it can show me the ability to solve problems like that.
The funny thing is, I actually want it to get better at solving these things so that I can delegate work to it, get correct answers quickly and check my understanding.
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from my experience I realized to extract more value from large language models, I needed to expand my vocabulary and learn how to communicate more effectively to get the results I desired. I'm used it to doublecheck my grammar and improve it general. these things can be instructed to critique, it all the depends on how its used.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Y'all do not even have text books for kids.
We can break this down to even hiphop culture.
You dudes on here know nuffin about hiphop
S8mply because you think you are gonna Google it. When in hiphop. You are supposed to know all the relevent cultural norms and mores of everypillar without fail. As well as knowledge of self.
Yet none of you anywhere are nice in any pillar of hiphop.
Plus know none of the morals or norms of hiphop.
We can start there.
Just for starters.
What chu write?
you can not google the answer. You are supposed to know.
so answer the question?
Art Barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
This is what happens when greed becomes more important than anything
And people that don't value education are really gonna feel it down the line
Learning how to think>>>>>>>>someone or something telling you what to do
A lot of these higher education degrees and shyt gonna start looking really funny in the light. But these cacs Gon say it's all merit.
IsThatBrothaMouzone?
Superstar
Yeah but that's after 12 years of school and a minimum of 4 years in college, some with 6 years and an M.S.
I'm late 30s and probably represent the median age of everyone in my department. We know how to cut corners but we also know how to do things the "hard way" with a pen, paper and calculator.
Problem is these kids only know the automated way, so they won't know how to check if something is wrong. In fact they won't know what "right-ish" and "wrong-ish" look like because in many cases there is no concrete 'correct' answer. There's levels of optimization.
Example - we currently switched to a web-based platform and there are A LOT of issues with calculations, contract language etc. We make it work because we know what we're doing and we know how to explain to IT what's wrong. Without the necessary knowledge, we'd just assume everything is OK and it would cost millions each quarter just off mistakes.
Who benefits from a whole generation of young adults not knowing how to problem solve? Likely someone that doesn't have their best interests at heart.
The bolded is 100% incorrect. The technology is typically off by some degree and people who are experienced in this technology are aware of this and are developing the skill set of being well versed enough in their domain to rapidly be able to check and correct small errors or completely modify models into something that is closer to the truth.
Not only are they doing that, but they're training their AI profiles to be more accurate in the process.
Y'all are about to have your entire feelings hurt by the kids who know how to use this technology and will eventually be 20x's more effective. What's going to happen is that the kids will know the important things you actually need to know and all the useless fluff will be cut out and things only people who have a passion for that particular piece of work will bother to learn.
IIVI
Superstar
I got another good circuits task to ask of it.
Ask it to write the CircuitJS code for it. Copy the output it gives.
Then go to https://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html
File > Import From Text and see how close it is
A lot of them don't even run!
I can't even use that thing to save time on basic Circuits stuff.
Chegg experts would laugh at this stuff.
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Bonus ask it to find the Current through the 20 Ohm resistor.
The correct answer is 2 Amps.
Do the same 30 minutes later. Does it even give the same wrong answer later or another completely different wrong answer?
My barometer is when it can start to solve stuff like this correctly, then I'll start taking note and being impressed.
Ask it to write the CircuitJS code for it. Copy the output it gives.
Then go to https://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html
File > Import From Text and see how close it is
A lot of them don't even run!
I can't even use that thing to save time on basic Circuits stuff.
Chegg experts would laugh at this stuff.
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Bonus ask it to find the Current through the 20 Ohm resistor.
The correct answer is 2 Amps.
Do the same 30 minutes later. Does it even give the same wrong answer later or another completely different wrong answer?
My barometer is when it can start to solve stuff like this correctly, then I'll start taking note and being impressed.
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Sauce Mane
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Ethnic Vagina Finder
The Great Paper Chaser
All chat-gtp is
An advanced google search.
It’s not real AI.
An advanced google search.
It’s not real AI.
interesting use case
i read a reddit post recently that basically said to have chatgpt write a python script to calculate X and Y than instruct it to run the script against the problem. i haven't tried it but i wonder if that might be of some use to you.
google recently set a new high standard in math.
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Updated Gemini 1.5 Pro report: MATH benchmark for specialized version now at 91.1%, SOTA 3 years ago was 6.9%, overall a lot of progress from February to May in all benchmarks
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Updated Gemini 1.5 Pro report: MATH benchmark for specialized version now at 91.1%, SOTA 3 years ago was 6.9%, overall a lot of progress from February to May in all benchmarks
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
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A mathematics-specialized version of Gemini 1.5 Pro achieves some extremely impressive scores in the updated technical report.
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From the report; 'Currently the math-specialized model is only being explored for Google internal research use cases; we hope to bring these stronger math capabilities into our deployed models soon.'
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New benchmarks, including Flash.
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Google is doing something very interesting by building specialized versions of its frontier models for math, healthcare, and education (so far). The benchmarks on all of these are pretty impressive, and it seems to be beyond what can be done with traditional fine tuning alone. twitter.com/jeffdean/statu…
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1.5 Pro is now stronger than 1.0 Ultra.
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4o only got to enjoy the crown for 4 days.
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They put Av_Human at the top of the chart there visually to make people feel better. The average human is now in third place.
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
A mathematics-specialized version of Gemini 1.5 Pro achieves some extremely impressive scores in the updated technical report.
2/7
From the report; 'Currently the math-specialized model is only being explored for Google internal research use cases; we hope to bring these stronger math capabilities into our deployed models soon.'
3/7
New benchmarks, including Flash.
4/7
Google is doing something very interesting by building specialized versions of its frontier models for math, healthcare, and education (so far). The benchmarks on all of these are pretty impressive, and it seems to be beyond what can be done with traditional fine tuning alone. twitter.com/jeffdean/statu…
5/7
1.5 Pro is now stronger than 1.0 Ultra.
6/7
4o only got to enjoy the crown for 4 days.
7/7
They put Av_Human at the top of the chart there visually to make people feel better. The average human is now in third place.
To post tweets in this format, more info here: https://www.thecoli.com/threads/tips-and-tricks-for-posting-the-coli-megathread.984734/post-52211196
IIVI
Superstar
Kind of like what I mentioned I don't think Math is it's main problem. I can throw Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations at it and I think it'd do fine for the most part because it's basically rote. If X, do Y.interesting use case
i read a reddit post recently that basically said to have chatgpt write a python script to calculate X and Y than instruct it to run the script against the problem. i haven't tried it but i wonder if that might be of some use to you.
google recently set a new high standard in math.
Circuits though it's absolute trash at solving. Can't trust it at all. I've looked at multiple libraries, but nothing. Maybe the closest is the Flux app and that's still wacker than Chegg.
The Engineering subreddits knows how bad it is as well. Probably as bad in most Engineering courses to be honest.
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