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the cac mamba said:
his comparison to slavery is :scusthov:

but i think that point, minus that bullshyt, is valid. you can't say that people have a "right" to something as complicated, and expensive, and involves as many peoples services, as healthcare :yeshrug: you can argue that a country as rich as america SHOULD provide healthcare to all, without saying everyone has a 'right' to it. i dont think anyone does

it's different than some shyt like "the right to freedom", which doesn't actually require anything from anyone else, or "the right to free speech". you have the "right" to things that dont require anything from anyone else; the "right" means that no one else can impede on them
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Works in Canada as proven by his actions. :ohhh:
 
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the cac mamba said:
his comparison to slavery is :scusthov:

but i think that point, minus that bullshyt, is valid. you can't say that people have a "right" to something as complicated, and expensive, and involves as many peoples services, as healthcare :yeshrug: you can argue that a country as rich as america SHOULD provide healthcare to all, without saying everyone has a 'right' to it. i dont think anyone does

it's different than some shyt like "the right to freedom", which doesn't actually require anything from anyone else, or "the right to free speech". you have the "right" to things that dont require anything from anyone else; the "right" means that no one else can impede on them
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Agree 100%
in fact i'm not even a huge proponent of privatized healthcare, i may lean towards it yes but i would never join a rally or anything like that.
In fact I moved to Canada, but not for the healthcare, moved here for the kids's future.
 
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BrownSkin Intellect said:
again this makes no sense
he is NOT a Canadian citizen
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He says that a healthcare system cannot sustain under the premise of the right to Healthcare.

Him going to Canada for Healthcare not only shows it works, but can also provide the best possible treatment.

This is pretty straightforward, troll.
 
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Call Me James said:
He says that a healthcare system cannot sustain under the premise of the right to Healthcare.

Him going to Canada for Healthcare not only shows it works, but can also provide the best possible treatment.

This is pretty straightforward, troll.
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But that still doesn't make sense.
He will be going to a private hospital, so it lives outside of what you are referring to.
 
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BrownSkin Intellect said:
But that still doesn't make sense.
He will be going to a private hospital, so it lives outside of what you are referring to.
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Rand Paul has repeatedly shown that he wants to take advantage of the Canadian Healthcare system. But when it has been proposed that the US adopt a similar system he has likened it to slavery.

You think you're carving out a nuanced position, but you're actually just saying the same wrong things over and over. :francis:
 
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BrownSkin Intellect said:
there is no need to assume, in fact this may not even be an issue of money, especially since he may not pay for it but the attacker will with the lawsuit.

likely he wil be going to shouldice
For over 70 years, we have been the only licensed hospital in the world dedicated to repairing hernias. More than 98% of our cases are performed with our natural tissue technique...without the use of mesh.
Welcome to Shouldice Hernia Hospital, The Global Leader in Non-Mesh Hernia Repair.

this hospital is perhaps the best place on the planet for him to go, whether socialist or private.
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It's an actual fact that social healthcare improves the private healthcare system, since it gives them an incentive to improve and offer something better.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective — DPEAFLCIO

US healthcare is the most expensive in the world, and yet lags behind every other country offering universal healthcare in regards to quality of service . When we compare it to their counterparts in those countries. Rand Paul going to Canada just proves that the free Market when giving free rein does not work, there has to be a counterbalance.
 
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On another note, just today I was going to make a new thread, i wrote it all and everything but decided I probably wouldn't get a mature debate going here.
So general direction it would have taken is, since I guess i consider myself a left leaning libertarian if i were to be open minded about free healthcare it would have to come from an authoritative government.

If I am to be forced to pay for other people's healthcare I want to be forced to pay for their healthcare NOT their lifestyle.
Govt. would have to ban cigarettes, ban trans-fats, and assume a stronger role in lifestyle.
See everyone talks about socialist countries like Canada, Sweeden and Switzerland and Denmark.
But americans don't look like them, all the countries people compare the U.S. too don't look like them. Americans ARE OBESE!!!!
If people are being forced to pay for other people's health then obese people should be forced to go on diets and on a treadmill.
It is way easier for me to be a free-healthcare advocate while living in Canada where not almost everyone is Obese than in the United States.
So for me to be more open minded on free healthcare in America, it would have to come from a more authoritative govt., and I am against authoritative govts.
So... how can I cross that bridge?

EDIT: Also I want to add, this is one thing that i don't like about Bernie Sanders. He never talks about lifestyle and health.
If you are progressive than you HAVE TO talk way more often about discipline and living a healthy lifestyle with healthy foods and an active lifestyle.
If you are just screaming free this and free that then you are just pitching product
 
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BrownSkin Intellect said:
But that still doesn't make sense.
He will be going to a private hospital, so it lives outside of what you are referring to.
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The argument is that if you have universal then private health providers have no incentive to provide additional services or they will provide worse service because they will lose business.


This is disproven by him going there
 
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Call Me James said:
Rand Paul has repeatedly shown that he wants to take advantage of the Canadian Healthcare system. But when it has been proposed that the US adopt a similar system he has likened it to slavery.

You think you're carving out a nuanced position, but you're actually just saying the same wrong things over and over. :francis:
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Then refute it, how is my thinking wrong?
How is what you are saying not relevant since he is not a canadian citizen and is going to a private clinic?
 
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