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It can’t be Hakeem. He can’t be over Ewing he had Clyde for one of his rings and he played with Ralph Sampson earlier in his career. He also played on a “superteam” with Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

Also, Hakeem in ‘94 may not have had a high volume secondary scorer. But what he did have was the best spacing/shooting of any team and the most clutch collection of role players in history.

Sam Cassell, Robert Horry, Mario Elie, Kenny Smith all had critical games or gamewinners. They was called Clutch City for a reason.

Not only that, he had Mad Max who would tear niccas up if he got hot.
And, Otis Thorpe who was an All-Star legit 4 who could play down low both ways (pause).
So you had two world-class rebounders, which leads to more shot opportunities.

That team was aptly named Rockets, because any given night any two of these shooters
(or maybe even Matt Bullard or Chris Jent) would be a lit dynamite stick, and you didn’t know
who it was gonna be.

High key - that’s why this era was so rough for players like this thread talmbat.
A lot of contenders were set up like this also, but they didn’t have either the shooters (Knicks),
the depth (Jazz), the post game (Spurs, Sonics), or they’re window was closing (Blazers) or
just about to open (Nuggets, Warriors, Hornets). And of course, none of them had Hakeem.
 

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Fam, nobody on Earth was gonna draft Dominique over Worthy.
Besides, history has shown them to be essentially the same guy.
I agree that Worthy coming out of NC was the consensus top pick...but I don’t agree that they were anywhere near the same. I respect what Worthy did for the Lakers, but he was nowhere near the player Dominique proved to be. Perhaps it was because of the presence of Magic and Kareem that Worthy’s numbers pale in comparison, but having watched them both....I’m taking Wilkins all day.
 

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People really glaze over that sixers team having DPOY Mutumbo cause it doesn't fit into the Iverson vs. the world narrative.

They also won't mention Aaron McKie leading the Sixers in scoring in game 7 vs Toronto. Game was decided by one point. Iverson scored 2 points in that 4th Q. McKie 6.

If his teammates were really trash then you'd know it by the team result.
 

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Iverson is up there
Before this super team era. Dudes used to be solo stars on these shytty teams just withering away.


I don’t know why many of these fake coli experts pretend the like that shyt or want things to go back that way:mjlol:


The same niccas that played 2K/Live and always scrolled past the teams with the Star player rated a 92+

But the rest of the starters no higher than 78:bryan:
 

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Patrick Ewing gotta be on here. Just off the top of my head ewing only played 3 players in his prime that made the all star game

starks- 94, one and only time
Oakley- 94, one and only time
Mark jackson- 89, one and only time
This is the answer. Because the knicks were so close to winning but NY didn’t get Pat a legit running mate
 

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Crazy to think about LBJ didn't have anyone averaging more than 12.6ppg when he made the Finals in 2007....but the worst in recent history has to be the '98 Jazz, who didn't have anyone other than Malone averaging more than 11.1.

Of course, neither of them pulled out the title in part because of those anemic freaking offenses.
But Hakeem really did it still :ufdup: :wow:
And the 98 Jazz had Hornacek putting up 14.2 and Stockton only gave you 12 but it was with 8.5 assists in only 29 minutes.
07 Cavs Larry Hughes averaged 15 a game, but yeah that crew was :scust: Bron got swept tho :scusthov:
Hakeem had one shooter on the roster and 0 dimers :scusthov: and won a title :damn:
 

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But Hakeem really did it still :ufdup: :wow:
And the 98 Jazz had Hornacek putting up 14.2 and Stockton only gave you 12 but it was with 8.5 assists in only 29 minutes.
07 Cavs Larry Hughes averaged 15 a game, but yeah that crew was :scust: Bron got swept tho :scusthov:
Hakeem had one shooter on the roster and 0 dimers :scusthov: and won a title :damn:
I was talking postseason. That's when we're talking about these cats reaching the Finals so those are the numbers that matter. Their regular season numbers are irrelevant.

Hughes only averaged 11.3ppg on 34% shooting in the '07 playoffs and didn't even play the last two games (Cavs looked better with him on the bench anyway).

Hornacek and Stockton only averaged 11.1ppg and 10.9ppg in the '98 playoffs and Jazz still made the Finals and took the Bulls to 6.

You right though that Hakeem the only one who actually won that shyt.



Hakeem had one shooter on the roster and 0 dimers :scusthov: and won a title :damn:
You selling those guys a bit short.

Vernon Maxwell
Robert Horry
Kenny Smith
Sam Cassell

Those four working together were plenty enough to run the offense and shoot the rock, it was a good group with Hakeem in the middle. Add Otis Thorpe on the boards and Mario Elie locking guys down on the perimeter, and they had a squad. And ALL of them were hitting clutch shots.
 

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I was talking postseason. That's when we're talking about these cats reaching the Finals so those are the numbers that matter. Their regular season numbers are irrelevant.

Hughes only averaged 11.3ppg on 34% shooting in the '07 playoffs and didn't even play the last two games (Cavs looked better with him on the bench anyway).

Hornacek and Stockton only averaged 11.1ppg and 10.9ppg in the '98 playoffs and Jazz still made the Finals and took the Bulls to 6.

You right though that Hakeem the only one who actually won that shyt.




You selling those guys a bit short.

Vernon Maxwell
Robert Horry
Kenny Smith
Sam Cassell

Those four working together were plenty enough to run the offense and shoot the rock, it was a good group with Hakeem in the middle. Add Otis Thorpe on the boards and Mario Elie locking guys down on the perimeter, and they had a squad. And ALL of them were hitting clutch shots.
I expect stats to decrease in the playoffs, especially for role players. I'm using regular season to gauge what you got in general and all year and overall where you're at.
I'm not sleepin on em, they're what I said :yeshrug: They did their thing, but the only real shooter there was Kenny until the playoffs - then you can add Horry and Casell who started hittin. They did their thing, but over the course of the whole year none of them were dimers and Kenny was the only shooter
 

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yeah, Finley - another guy who was better than what people remember
Tim Hardaway
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Tyson Chandler, Dampier, Juwan Howard, Popeye, and Shawn Bradley to play post so Dirk didn’t have to
Josh Howard, remember him?
they got Peja from Sactown
Devin Harris
Jason Terry

Dirk had plenty of help lol
Nobody named Antwan Jamison? :wow:
The truth is that Dominique is kind of overrated. He was an athletic volume scorer that didn’t defend well or create for others.

It’s a reason he was left off the NBA’s top 50 team, wasn’t an original Dream Team selection, and ranked only 40th on SLAM’s 1997 Top 50 list.

‘Nique is in the Carmelo Anthony range of players.
You can argue the post-Jordan generation of stars pushed him out now but 97 this was some bullshyt.
 

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Eddie Johnson, one of greatest scorers everybody forgot was great
young Antoine “OG Big Dog” Carr
prime Tree Rollins
they had Lorenzo Charles right after The Miracle Game, but he played Nique’s position
Plastic Man
Mookie Blaylock, perhaps the best defensive guard after GP and Mike
But all these guys were just above journeyman, no one to really get you a chip......good players no doubt, but meh
 

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They also won't mention Aaron McKie leading the Sixers in scoring in game 7 vs Toronto. Game was decided by one point. Iverson scored 2 points in that 4th Q. McKie 6.

If his teammates were really trash then you'd know it by the team result.

Aaron McKie was also sixth man of the year.

What Iverson embodied far overshadowed the fact that a team with the league MVP, DPOY and Sixth Man might've been good, but surely not good enough to beat the Lakers.

It's actually a discredit to how well they played as a team to say that he had no help.

 
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