Did trap rap destroy hip hop

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I dont hear kendrick cole sean etc in the hood. Nope thats dolph kodak future and the like. Black people ride to the nikkas that flop. Facts
 
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Lyrical content = SUBJECT MATTER

You giving JAY a pass for his criminal subject matter simply cause he is SKILLED

But regardless JAY rapped in first person he promoted beinga hustler >>> rapper

We went from CLOSE THE CRACKHOUSE to DEAD PRESIDENTS

We went from SELF DESTRUCTION to BIG PIMPING

The anti dope anti pimp mentality of the 80s got murked by cats like JAY Z in the 90s

he wasnt just "reporting" it he and a few others blurred the lines and had people believing HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING IT

Thats what actually put the nail in the coffin for real hip hop which influenced the ATL trap sound

Which Corporate America got behind

Jay made it comfortable for nikkas to rap about cocaine in first person....

Lets call it what it is...


if these mainstream artists rapped about god, love and family the same way they rap about sex, money and drugs.:wow:
 

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Wait, nikkaz really going at Detroit like that? :ohhh:

Pound for pound, the greatest hip-hop city in America? :ohhh:

Didn't know nikkaz felt like that...


i can say tha d has the best grassroots locale for the culture.
when chicago was popp'n i would have said tha d was a hair behind but after 96.
i can say tha d was a better grassroots locale and probably the best locale for the culture grassroots wise.

michigan as a whole state is probably the best for the culture stateside wise as far as the culture.
bboys in michigan still keep it real, especially real ass bboys from tha d.


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I think (and hope) that hiphop is cyclical in what drives it: beats or lyrics. We are just on an extended beats run and that's why trap music is getting heavy play
 

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Atlanta! Hey ya was by 3staccs right? What genre was that love below album? Wasnt hip hop, and its success changed shyt. Without that no lollipop from wayne which started his demise. Outkast are my top 3 groups ever too but its true. So bam from that u get future, ti whatever u like etc. Aka genre bending. Devin the dude wasnt a rapper full time from jump so i cant blame him but 3staccs. That album birthed rappers moonlighting as singers to crossover. Cee Lo always did both his style was half rap half sing since cell therapy. Luke and new Orleans originated the stripper anthems but they were underground. Now ushers saying he dont mind. The stripper fetish started in Atlanta with magic citys rise in the bmf days. They made it to where nikkas wanted a thick bytch and it was ok to pay for it. When joc, soulja boy, d4l etc had dudes in the club doing routines and got rich.. Ever since look around. Lyrics died with gucci. Cuz jeezy was a punchline nikka infact all boys in the hood could rap. Check the freestyles n mixtapes. Gucci was so straight to the point the nikkas he inspired had no appreciation for metaphors similies coded slang rhyme patterns and all the shyt greats from everywhere else hang there hats on. Midwest listen to any midwest legend bet they nice with the pen. West coast nikkas always could rhyme. Kurupt was crippin hard but look at how he put it together. Eastsidaz, jayo felony, quik, spice 1 etc. The bay been talkin briccs n bows its just coded. Hence thizz.. There underground scene was doin today mainstream numbers. Too short played his own basslines too. I can go on n on legend by legend city by city. The south n trap are not to blame its Atlanta. Not because they lacc talent, but the fact youve had a stranglehold on this shyt over 10 years and all of the criticised changes were brought about by yall. Dem franchise boys sound rakim compared to a trap mumble nikka. Yall devalued lyrics.


i can say all this is a byproduct of the fraudulent puff yousa hater movment.
which ruined the mecca internally landscape wise.
that took an emo term like playa hating,..which used to be hollering at a nikka female in committals.
then, changing the term all the way into excusing a culture thief/sellout.
for being a culture thief/uncle tom c00n mccan behind the premise of the new puff defined term of playa hating.
which was shorted to just hating. where eventually the original meaning was lost.
when, someone culturally was in the wrong and being wrongly made into the badguy in a pop sense.
for explaining how some one was a being a blatant culture thief.

on top of puff damging the culture protection mechanism with yousa hater .
then using the pr steam to desecrate the holy grail culturally. when he made that blasphemous abomination of a record from the message.

after that, coupled with rap being mass marketed nationally as a science to the mainstream via leo burnett.
including the emotional windfall of big being used as a keypoint for sympathy.

puff eventually damaged the protection mechanism of not only just the industry of rap. rap being the last profitable pillar left not damaged by art houses cultural based thievery.
that eventually rap as well as an industry was damaged and moved from being the most profitable model in the music industry.
which is how rap was able to even get art house recognition in the first place.
as art houses all suffered cultural disconnect to rap and hiphop originally.
despite culturally the art houses not knowing how to fully monetize, it using their pop lack of culture ideals.
before the cultural protection mechanism were damaged.
rap only had on genre compromised and that was gangsta rap as a pop model.
the other genres and content points in rap were not tainted or deemed a non-draw at that time like how puff de-evolved the business to where we are now.
that eventually a puff type from all genres including emo.
soon damaged the industry of rap and last pillar of hiphop.
that had monetary value running the same culture thief based script.

couple that with puff's ideal in business being from the fraudulent production deal model from mca as well.
as mca got a pass in the hardcore bboy revolution. from being around in that lull of transistion from 84-86.

where most defjam associated artists or managed groups all clung to old school dj hollywood culture thief ideals.
yet hid it well enough to draw and establish a drawing foot print in booking to record sales.
that allowed them monetary freedom to go unscathed from cultural scrutiny.
which created a bad brew where almost over night the culture was sent spiraling into the same death knell descent breaking endured and never recovered from. till breaking is exactly only really practiced outside of older bboys in the art school medium. where the classically trained medium or venue is a cultural violation.
all because the classically trained art school medium is gay and also a cultural violation to hiphop as well.
where breaking and now cultural rap was given a speedy death knell sentence in quick succession to pop sellout culture thief imposter based industrial ideas. that wrongly take hiphop out of the context of what the pillars and their business are about culturally.
plus left them with no cultural protection mechanism from cultural disconnect to the pop realm which could not be reversed.
once, the culture thief based framework setup by puff was made to draw largely in a pop sense.



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Hip Hop started as party music with basic, dumbed down chant like lyrics though. Sounds like trap is exactly is what hip hop was supposed to be.


trap or triple six mafia music is actually old school chant and response rap from the darryl and joe run dmc era of production.
that was lost when biting was allowed in the southern region.
from the explosion of tear the club up as a real southern movement in the clubs.


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IMO and no disrespect, but Detroit never really had it's own sound.


yes, detroit has its own sound and it was stolen by the ummah.
after the damage to tip's record collection set them back.
where jay dee had to become the lead sonically for tribe, to native tongues.
to the point all neo soul and most of the emo shyt is all detroit sound shyt.
most cultural based music right now is detroit sound.

i was there for that to know the truth.



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All of that has nothing to do with destroying the lyrical content in Hip Hop


it has everything to do with destroying lyrical content, breh./
as the jiggy culture thief are the exact reason we are where we are now, and we won't recover.

the problem is the mecca has no one with any balls to say what needs to be said about the mecca and allowing this to happen.
as everyone except the protectors of the culture in the mecca said sumfin but when you have krs not paying attention and not trying to take criticism in full for empowering puff this is also what you get as well.
coupled with the fact krs had skill conversion issues as did all of rap when the jiggy sonic landscape change was ushered in.
so our protector was limited and also in a state of adjustment that took like a good decade i wanna say to recover skillwise to the sonic landscape change.

the return of jiggy old school dj hollywood meets mca model ol school sellout template based work.
ruined rap and moved it right back into the fad region they said rap would be.
if not for the hardcore bboy revolution.

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ive never been of the belief that one faction of hiphop could take down the entire genre

and when trap is done well, its good to me. i consider it hip hop's metal. its an acquired taste, its raw, unapologetic
 
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