Did we declare K.Dots TPAB a "Pro Black" album or was it assigned for us?

[The Fire]

well the narrative was forced down our throats the moment it came out, from CAC publications no less
not saying it's a bad album of course, but it has its share of c00nery and much of it is more of a personal/depression type album anyway

 

[Apollo Creed]

Wouldn't totally agree with that. Music made in current times are viewed differently than music made 20 and 30 years earlier

Back in the 80s and early 90s, those Pro Black song were not viewed the same way as they are now. Most of their songs were not all over white Top 40 radio that much. Russell Simmons even said something of wanting them to tone it down. Plus, KRS One, X Clan, and Brand Nubian never got that pop culture fame when they were in their prime. Public Enemy only got fame because it was through Def Jam, Rick Rubin, Russell, etc.

Public Enemy and KRS One can perform those songs now cause it's thought of as a old school novelty. Look how up in arms the media was for Beyonce's lightweight Formation video . You really think this racist PC world we live in now would even promote X Clan, KRS One, and PE if they were new artists in this era? Nah breh

I mean music in the 90s was already considered anti semetic it would probably be considered homophobic now too. Hell i was watching My wife and kids reruns a few weeks ago and its crazy that there were a lot of jokes that i couldnt see flying now.

 

[OG Talk]

It's all about context.. When you place Kendrick next to Drake, Thug and Future he is Pro-Black as fukk... If you place him next to Tef Poe or Dead Prez then probably not so much..

 

[Blessup]

No we did not.
I never understand the point of chanting "we gon be aight" when protesting demonic cac officers and politicians

NO! nikkas we aint gone be aight. How we getting our ass beat and living in a white supremacist system and"we gon be aight?"

Naw, we need some more fight the power type tunes.

More Muslim/noi/5% rasta, pan african infludenced tunes. We need to beware of any music that cacs are praising/shoving down our throats.

 

[UpAndComing]

I mean music in the 90s was already considered anti semetic it would probably be considered homophobic now too. Hell i was watching My wife and kids reruns a few weeks ago and its crazy that there were a lot of jokes that i couldnt see flying now.

Yeah I remember when the wife Jay would force Micheal (Damon) to see a marriage counselor who was gay. Damon would throw gay slander jokes left and right the whole episode

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Give me some examples of "pro black" non rap songs.

The thing is, people many people think Pro-Blackness only comes in the extreme variety. This is as pro-black as any PE or X-Clan song.

 

[Blessup]

This kind of thread reminds of a lord Jamar interview I heard somewhere. About how they trying to make the new generation of "conscious rappers" more passive and soft.... Im going to try to find it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Wouldn't totally agree with that. Music made in current times are viewed differently than music made 20 and 30 years earlier

Back in the 80s and early 90s, those Pro Black song were not viewed the same way as they are now. Most of their songs were not all over white Top 40 radio that much. Russell Simmons even said something of wanting them to tone it down. Plus, KRS One, X Clan, and Brand Nubian never got that pop culture fame when they were in their prime. Public Enemy only got fame because it was through Def Jam, Rick Rubin, Russell, etc.

Public Enemy and KRS One can perform those songs now cause it's thought of as a old school novelty. Look how up in arms the media was for Beyonce's lightweight Formation video . You really think this racist PC world we live in now would even promote X Clan, KRS One, and PE if they were new artists in this era? Nah breh

PE always had big white audiences even the 80's. Dead Prez even has a pred white fan base at their concerts.To be honest, tons of white people like pro black radicalness in music because they find it similar to their Punk rock. What white people don't like is Afrocentriism which is why groups like Poor Righteous Teachers, Brand Nubian etc..don't draw white crowds.

 

[Harry B]

Give me some examples of "pro black" non rap songs.

 

[Apollo Creed]

The thing is, people many people think Pro-Blackness only comes in the extreme variety. This is as pro-black as any PE or X-Clan song.

It boils down to people not understanding the difference between Songs that are Pro Black and Songs that are simply painting the picture as life as that specific or a specific Black Person. We cant attribute every song about being poor or beat up by cops as "Pro Black" because then what do we call songs about happiness?

Being Black is not a monolithic thing, so IDK why people are acting like "Pro Black" existed prior to Black Nationalism and that it is not Synonymous with it. All because you make a song that Black people can relate to doesnt make it Pro black because if that is the case Soulja Boy would be considered a Pro Black artist with songs like "Throw Some D's" or "She Got a DOnk" because there are blacks who can relate to getting a F on their Report Card or having a big butt.

Kendrick made a Soulful Album nothing more nothing less. Its the media and establishment trying to make it something it isn't. Why would the Establishment promote someone so "Pro Black"?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Being Black is not a monolithic thing, so IDK why people are acting like "Pro Black" existed prior to Black Nationalism and that it is not Synonymous with it.

Pro-Blackness did exist before full blown black nationalism but obviously the 2 are related

All because you make a song that Black people can relate to doesnt make it Pro black because if that is the case Soulja Boy would be considered a Pro Black artist with songs like "Throw Some D's" or "She Got a DOnk" because there are blacks who can relate to getting a F on their Report Card or having a big butt.

pro-blackness is about black positivity not black negativity

Kendrick made a Soulful Album nothing more nothing less. Its the media and establishment trying to make it something it isn't. Why would the Establishment promote someone so "Pro Black"?

"soulful" in the black peoples concept in many ways relates to pro-blackness.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Pro-Blackness did exist before full blown black nationalism but obviously the 2 are related




pro-blackness is about black positivity not black negativity





"soulful" in the black peoples concept in many ways relates to pro-blackness.

There are PLENTY of "Soulful" songs purely about sadness.

Once again Songs about the Black Experience and Pro Black Songs are two different things.

A Soulful Song about the Struggle Blacks go through in a specific area is a Song about the Black Experience.

A Song whether its Soulful or Not about the the Black Struggle that IDENTIFIES THE ISSUE, EXAMINES THE ISSUE, and PRESENTS A SOLUTION is Pro Black as it is using the song as a vehicle to PROMOTE empowerment out of the initial struggle.

The first example ONLY makes one aware of an issue at hand, bringing awareness to something is not the same as Promoting a Solution to the issue as one focuses on "damn I`m poor" while the other is "damn I`m more because of so and so but this is how I will end being poor".

You had Songs back in the day about people hating racism, and wanting to die to be in a better place, would you call that Pro Black?

Kendrick had a line in one of his songs along the lines of "IF Black Lives Matter why we killing one another", there is nothing pro black about that line, it is only bring awareness to an issue.

The line would have been pro black if he said in addition about WHY we should stop killing one another and what will be the end result of us uniting.

Pro Black Songs are literally artist calling on people to take action and empower themselves to accomplish a specific goal.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

No.

The purpose of NWA was to give insight into the Black Experience from a different perspective America tended to ignore.

NWA would create hyper violent songs because the purpose was for you to view world through the eyes of a person in that environment.

To say making songs about "the hood" is pro black does that mean if a black person makes songs about the struggles they face in suburban American something else?

I never said NWA on the whole was pro-black. They had some pro-black influences that were Black Panther- like in such songs like "F The Police".

Cube in NWA for example was pretty much story telling, while Cube post NWA (and pre Friday) was making music that had a message for the specific purpose of invoking action, THAT is what you would consider "PRO BLACK" as he made music PROMOTING a specific message and ideology. Telling someone about your life and environment is not necessarily PROMOTING and ideal or message.

Well yes, he took it steps further by getting away from the mindless aspects that were in NWA.

An Album can have "pro black" elements but that does not make it a pro black album. The albums of the early 90s were PRO BLACK ALBUMS as from start to finish they were PROMOTING something SPECIFIC.

"pro black elements" is all that's needed though to send/spread the message

Any Album by a black person that doesnt hate themselves can have pro black elements but once again it does not make it a pro black album.

see above

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Just because you don't find it the most pro black album ever doesn't mean it isn't pro black. Be happy a black man in a position of power is giving a fukk about us instead of complaining all the time.

Swear to god some of y'all should drink bleach before you open your mouth.

How can you drink bleach with a closed mouth? Dude said he didn't find it that pro black, he has a right to his opinion. It's subtle and contemporary lets keep it 100. It's really good though

 

[You Win Perfect]

K.Dot is being used for "I want to sit at the table" protest while Cube was creating songs regarding "Revolting" and Self Sufficiency.

K.Dot is not pushing any envelops. He is making Good Music but his music is being used like how people use MLK incorrectly to promote an "easy to digest" narrative.

You think X Clan would be invited to perform at the Grammys or whatever?


It's like Kanye, They created the narrative back in the day that "Kanye is Crazy", so when Kanye spoke real ish people could write it off like "lolol kanye is so crazy and funny "

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