Do Baltimore Schools Need More Money?***

[88m3]

but school isnt doing that

and whats the second part based off, the fact that i said no teacher deserves a half a million dollar year pension for not working after they retire

Apparently you think test scores are everything. There's more to education than that. It's a terrible basis to judge students progress on.
Do you expect the urban lower class to do better than the middle class and upper class? Until you fix the social ills of this country education is going to have a difficult time changing the world so to speak.
You have schools full of emotionally disturbed children, children reading at bellow grade level, learning disabilities, horrible home lives, children literally living in homeless shelters trying to get an education.

What second part? That's directed at twism. If you have an issue with teachers wages and pensions you need to look in the mirror at your own short comings.

 

[88m3]

I wonder how living conditions play into this. Healthcare, work-life balance for parents, nutrition, housing, safety, etc. Socioeconomic conditions outside of the building might be a larger factor in performance. Seems like folks just wanna holler about privatization rather than discuss what's keeping poor/minority children behind.

It's easier for them to ignore that.

 

[the cac mamba]

Apparently you think test scores are everything. There's more to education than that. It's a terrible basis to judge students progress on.
Do you expect the urban lower class to do better than the middle class and upper class? Until you fix the social ills of this country education is going to have a difficult time changing the world so to speak.
You have schools full of emotionally disturbed children, children reading at bellow grade level, learning disabilities, horrible home lives, children literally living in homeless shelters trying to get an education.

What second part? That's directed at twism. If you have an issue with teachers wages and pensions you need to look in the mirror at your own short comings.

but even though they get more money the schools arent accomplishing anything, so it needs to be directed elsewhere

ill just chalk it up to a system that chooses to reward half million dollar pensions while being 80 billion in debt; of course it would be ridiculous to assume they can responsibly and effectively handle money

 

[theworldismine13]

I wonder how living conditions play into this. Healthcare, work-life balance for parents, nutrition, housing, safety, etc. Socioeconomic conditions outside of the building might be a larger factor in performance. Seems like folks just wanna holler about privatization rather than discuss what's keeping poor/minority children behind.

what we are talking about is how to use money efficiently, outside factors effecting students dont make it ok to waste money, in fact it makes it more important to make sure money is being used as effciently and effectively ss possible

 

[Madvillain]

what we are talking about is how to use money efficiently, outside factors effecting students dont make it ok to waste money, in fact it makes it more important to make sure money is being used as effciently and effectively ss possible

Spending $$$ efficiently means attacking the core of the problem (poverty, conditions, healthcare, etc.) in a way that benefits everyone it needs to, not making a peripheral problem worse and ignoring the core that just so happens to serve folks in power and demean Blacks

 

[theworldismine13]

Spending $$$ efficiently means attacking the core of the problem (poverty, conditions, healthcare, etc.) in a way that benefits everyone it needs to, not making a peripheral problem worse and ignoring the core that just so happens to serve folks in power and demean Blacks

but fixing the schools is attacking the core, a good education is how you alleviate poverty, its the current system that serves the folks in power and demeans blacks

 

[Madvillain]

but fixing the schools is attacking the core, education is how you alleviate poverty, its the current system that serves the folks in power and demeans blacks

That doesn't really address the effects of poverty right now that 88 brought up amongst others, and might actually make them worse when the profit motive walks in. "School choice" does nothing to put an end to homelessness, overworked parents, violence, psychological problems, poor healthcare and housing now. Attacking poverty/the negative externalities of capitalism directly alleviates those.

 

[theworldismine13]

That doesn't really address the effects of poverty right now that 88 brought up amongst others, and might actually make them worse when the profit motive walks in. "School choice" does nothing to put an end to homelessness, overworked parents, violence, psychological problems, poor healthcare and housing now. Attacking poverty/the negative externalities of capitalism directly alleviates those.

school choice addresses school choice, and going to a good school does address poverty, violence, and psychological problems, that is where a lot of those problems start and vice versa going to a bad school increases those problems becuase bad schools is where those problems begin

the fact that it doesnt address homelessness or other issues doesnt mean it doesn't address poverty, getting good schools is the foundation of addressing poverty

 

[Madvillain]

going to a good school does address poverty, violence

for parents? for the kids who can't find work? now? how? the black market just disappears? work-life balance just cracks wide open?
If anything, this article should say there are properly-funded schools that still can't save the oppressed that attend these schools from external oppressive conditions
but of course you know why they left that out

 

[theworldismine13]

for parents?

yes for parents, having their kids go to a good school is very important in alleviating poverty

for the kids who can't find work?

you mean high school students, because im not aware of any elementary school students looking for work?

but yeah jobs for black youth is a very big issue, which begs the question as to why hillary and democrats are demanding to flood the labor force with cheap labor when young black youth cant find jobs

but ultimately the way to find black youth jobs is through making sure they have a good education and opening up more black business, so going to a good school is key in helping black youth find jobs

the black market just disappears?

no sure what you are referring to

If anything, this article should say there are properly-funded schools that still can't save the oppressed that attend these schools from external oppressive conditions
but of course you know why they left that out

the schools arent properly funded, the money is not going to students and the schools arent good, the money is going toward waste, corruption and unionized teachers because the whole system is decrepit

and bottom line is that you nor 88 have any real ideas on how to reform schools, you want to continue putting money into a wasteful corrupt decrepit public school systems

 

[Madvillain]

yes for parents, having their kids go to a good school is very important in alleviating poverty

for them? you sure better housing, work hours, healthcare and idk.... money wouldn't go a ways further?

you mean high school students, because im not aware of any elementary school students looking for work?

but yeah jobs for black youth is a very big issue, which begs the question as to why hillary and democrats are demanding to flood the labor force with cheap labor when young black youth cant find jobs

but ultimately the way to find black youth jobs is through making sure they have a good education and opening up more black business, so going to a good school is key in helping black youth find jobs

While looking for (you won't find any and it won't just be created out of thin air) good work, conditions need to be alleviated. That actually helps the job hunt. That keeps kids from turning to crime. That gives parents more time at home.
Have no idea immigration and Hillary even got brought up, I'm not a liberal.
Then there's the problem of the doubling/tripling of educational attainment and work experience of Blacks yet less "good" stable jobs due to economic factors. http://www.cepr.net/publications/reports/has-education-paid-off-for-black-workers Stability that would be helped by better healthcare, housing, benefits, etc. Conditions matter.

the schools arent properly funded, the money is not going to students and the schools arent good, the money is going toward waste, corruption and unionized teachers because the whole system is decrepit

and bottom line is that you nor 88 have any real ideas on how to reform schools, you want to continue putting money into a wasteful corrupt decrepit public school systems

I don't know where this idea that charter schools cannot be corrupt came from, esp. bc they deal more directly with the profit motive. Public schools and the way we fund them is all kinds of fukked. But lololol @ vouchers saving the ghetto.

 

[theworldismine13]

for them? you sure better housing, work hours, healthcare and idk.... money wouldn't go a ways further?

but you cant make those things part of the school budget, the school budget is for schools

While looking for (you won't find any and it won't just be created out of thin air) good work, conditions need to be alleviated. That actually helps the job hunt. That keeps kids from turning to crime. That gives parents more time at home.
Have no idea immigration and Hillary even got brought up, I'm not a liberal.
Then there's the problem of the doubling/tripling of educational attainment and work experience of Blacks yet less "good" stable jobs due to economic factors. http://www.cepr.net/publications/reports/has-education-paid-off-for-black-workers Stability that would be helped by better healthcare, housing, benefits, etc. Conditions matter.

ok, so what your point? that is your argument for spending millions of dollars on a bloated decrepit public school system?

I don't know where this idea that charter schools cannot be corrupt came from, esp. bc they deal more directly with the profit motive. Public schools and the way we fund them is all kinds of fukked. But lololol @ vouchers saving the ghetto.

if a charter school is corrupt or not doing good it can be shut down, if a public school is corrupt or not doing good.....nothing happens to it and then there is even people like you that would defend giving money to a public school that is not doing good

yeah vouchers would allow parent to change schools and would hasten the elimination of a decrepit bloated public school system and in the long term it would created a more educated population that would increase the wealth in poor neighborhoods

 

[Madvillain]

if a charter school is corrupt or not doing good it can be shut down, if a public school is corrupt or not doing good.....nothing happens to it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/chicago-school-closings-2013_n_2927419.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/e...-officials-vote-to-close-23-schools.html?_r=0

I've already stated why I'm against charters and also that I'm not a fan of what we've done to public schools, the way they're funded being a part of that.

 

[theworldismine13]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/21/chicago-school-closings-2013_n_2927419.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/08/e...-officials-vote-to-close-23-schools.html?_r=0

I've already stated why I'm against charters and also that I'm not a fan of what we've done to public schools, the way they're funded being a part of that.

thats good that they are closing those schools

but as anybody knows its rare that schools are closed, that is why those stories are national stories

 

[88m3]

thats good that they are closing those schools

but as anybody knows its rare that schools are closed, that is why those stories are national stories

No it's not actually.