Does Learning To Code Outweigh a Degree In Computer Science?
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Field Marshall Bradley
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are you talking about.................How is 20 years of real world experience equal to the bare minimum?
Field Marshall Bradley
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When it comes to education i'm talking.
A person who is more well rounded is more capable (if they truly embraced their education) of taking advantage of more opportunities.
That's completely irrelevant
No its not.
IT people barely do the more advanced things that general programmers do on a daily basis.
That's what I'm majoring in right nowi have to take a shyt ton of math classes
thats not true. jack of all trades = Project Managers. meaning you dont have to actually have people underneath you. But you managed people within a project. The good ones are the equivalent of a general contractor. they know a little bit about everything. and maybe a lot about one thing. but they can speak the language of all the people involved. which makes their jack of all trades approach perfect for the job.
programming is actually about being able to DO something. You can't hide behind a degree with programming. Either you know how to build something or you don't. If you don't, you'll get exposed quickly.
Richard Wright
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Its not disjoint sets. I learn theory in my classes and work on coding on my own. If your school's curriculum sucks thats on you. If you cant understand how discrete math relates to programming thats on you.
I have a software engineer friend from Wesleyan who is considering changing careers because the programming that does not require knowledge of mathematical principles will not be a sellable skill when everyone learns programming. Its the more intensive math and theory stuff that makes you the big bucks.
The only reason articles like this exist is because of the power of modern high level languages. It's not like we went from PL/I to Scala overnight.
Im sick of the anti cs education propaganda it reeks of 'upper class white my parents will pay my living expenses no matter what' priveledge.
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I have a software engineer friend from Wesleyan who is considering changing careers because the programming that does not require knowledge of mathematical principles will not be a sellable skill when everyone learns programming. Its the more intensive math and theory stuff that makes you the big bucks.
The only reason articles like this exist is because of the power of modern high level languages. It's not like we went from PL/I to Scala overnight.
Im sick of the anti cs education propaganda it reeks of 'upper class white my parents will pay my living expenses no matter what' priveledge.
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I think in the case of programming if you can do it and do it well you don't need a degree.
your right... but a manager with a degree has a chance to become director...
if he knows how to network well...
and college sometimes builds those soft skills.
Those soft skills are actually more important than a degree.
I'm independent, so I'm just speaking on if you want to stay with a company and not deal with the stress of being on ur own.
duckbutta
eienaar van mans
For actual skill at programming...yes learning on your own is the way to go...as with any discipline in IT...nothing beats real world do it yourself experience...
As far as a career...no you do need the paper...in this day and age...almost no one is hiring an IT person without a degree...unless they got 15 + years in the industry already and have put in some work at some big box companies...
As far as a career...no you do need the paper...in this day and age...almost no one is hiring an IT person without a degree...unless they got 15 + years in the industry already and have put in some work at some big box companies...
Data-Hawk
I have no strings on me.
senior programmer with no degree making over 80K. But I would not advise my path, I've been programming since I was 15 ( good ol qbasic ). So in the end I would recommend going to college. But this field is different from others, I could start a open source project and land a job etc.
Edit: forgot to add, my current position required a degree, but I was doing programming when I was at the help desk( took it upon myself ) and saved this company a ton of $$$, so they made the exception. Lol
Edit: forgot to add, my current position required a degree, but I was doing programming when I was at the help desk( took it upon myself ) and saved this company a ton of $$$, so they made the exception. Lol
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and the director is a slave to the VP. the slavery never ends UNTIL you are the CEO. sure you're a slave to the shareholders. But the fact that these big corp ceo's can FAIL at their job. but FAIL UP. meaning you can be lousy at say Coke inc. Get a new Job at yahoo as CEO making more then you made at Coke. what part of the game is that? its that 1% part. thats what. everyone else is a slave to their boss. sure you may not have a person riding you about productivity/numbers/how many boxes you've moved today, how many burgers have you flipped, how many pieces of some item have you sold, or how many lines of code have you programmed.. But they are constantly hitting you up about "did you meet with so an so about such and such..did you meet with so and so about such and such and so and so's numbers? hey we need you to go to new york for a couple of days... hey we need you to go to Cleveland for a couple of days.. .hey we need you to go to montana for a week(so whats its your little girls birthday that weekend.) Hey we need you to go to ..... yeah thats all cute when you're young, single and dont care. but the moment you start to settle down that starts to feel like slavery too. and remember you aint going to these places to kick it most of the time. for 12 hours out of the day you're in meetings and/or at a conference then more meetings. you have another 8 oclocker in the morning so seeing the town is OUT. so that idea of "oo i get to travel" sure you earn freq. flyer miles and hotel stays, etc. but good grief when will you be able to use them? thats a slave as well. its just different.
The only non slave gig is your own company. and then you are now a slave to your customers. at least for awhile. you will have to work 15 hour days to get your thing off the ground and keep it afloat for awhile until it can float on its on. and you can start hiring people to work for you and even manage your staff. where you can step away for a moment or two and enjoy life.
well, you are correct that it's even more work to own your own shyt....
but it's worth it.
and being VP or director can be fun and rewarding if you aren't mico managed by the ceo.