Dr.Dre "2001" VS. Reasonable Doubt

[mobbinfms]

Just because Em was on the lead single you can't attribute some of his success to that? Him working with the hottest producer coming off a multi platinum album didn't help grow his fan base? Okay. Im not trying to argue anything. It's a fact that 2001 helped boost Eminem. That Up In Smoke Tour was huge for his career and fan base.

If you think that Eminem blows up to unheard of levels with out 2001 and the tour it spawned you are sadly mistaken.



He almost went double platinum with Restless and Man Vs Machine went gold. That's more than 2 million sold. He also was in all those Aftermath affiliated movies like The Wash and 8 mile. Acting like he didn't 'blow up' after 2001 is a joke.

Sadly theres still people on this board who never heard his early work and how good it really is.




Right. And that one track he produced? He said he bit from Xxplosive. Influencing the biggest producer in the last 10 years is quite an impact, wouldn't you agree?

"'Xxplosive', off 2001, that's [where] I got my entire sound from—if you listen to the track, it's got a soul beat, but it's done with those heavy Dre drums. Listen to "This Can't Be Life," a track I did for Jay-Z's Dynasty album, and then listen to "Xxplosive". It's a direct bite."

But back to the original point....you are trying to split hairs with me on THREE examples of it being a record with a big impact. You conceded on two other ones. Your idea that it wasn't that big of an album and on par with Reasonable Doubt is just flat out wrong.

Of course you can attribute some of his success to being on Forgot About Dre - a very small, negligible portion. The original person I was responding to was trying to argue that Eminem's success could be attributed to this album. As if 2001 was the direct cause of the additional 7 million in sales from SSLP to MMLP.

Em had already sold 1.76 Million the first week with MMLP before the Up In a smoke Tour. I'm sure that tour helped him sell more records - but he was already the biggest pop star and had outsold 2001 by a factor of 3 (in terms of first week sales). I'm telling you - the more you think about this - Eminem probably had a bigger role in 2001 selling than vice versa. Dre always got suburb love but with Em the white people were flocking to him like never before.

I said a few posts back that Xzibit blew up - but it had more to do with the change in his sound, Dre single and Dre/Snoop affiliation then simply the fact that he had appeared on 2001.

I already a knowledged that the Kanye lift was a good example of 2001's impact. But I think he was kissing ass a bit in that quote - he didn't copy Dre's style on 2001 hook line and sinker. What else did he copy other than those drums?

You and some of the other posters have done a good job of making the case for 2001's impact. And while I don't believe it was a genre changing album like its predecessor - I do think I was downplaying its impact with my initial statement on the album. But I'm not splitting hairs with you, nor did I ever say it wasn't a big record or that RD was just as big in 96. I said RD was a better album - then I said 2001 didn't have a huge impact. 2 separate points. Go back and read my first post in this thread.

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

D'evils................ any verse on 2001

 

[drugxglory]

"In these drastic surroundings, it be sounding like
Lebanon, makin fools "RETREAT!" like Megatron and Starscream
Oh yeah I scream-on-stars
to get loot and crossover like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Get out your car son, that's how I came to bougie nikkaz
At bar one, it's either that or make front page stardom"

 

[Funcrusher]

2001 wasn't the 'career maker' some people make it out to be, ask Hitman if you can find him somewhere in those deserted bushes he's been residing in for 15 years.

Other than that, I don't see why this thread was made. Next thing you know we have threads comparing GRODT to the Low End Theory.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

How does an album that sells 7 million fuking records have a minor impact?

Eminem was at 3 million with his first album, 10 million with his second one. The difference was Forgot About Dre

at the end of the day this entire argument is irrelevant, because what the fukkk did RD influence? Did RD even influence Marcy projects?

theres albums that sold way more copies that had even less impact.

Forgot about Dre took em to the next level. U may not remember when that shyt dropped but dres album sales jumped immediately after that shyt dropped.

Xzibit wasn't featured on no singles but yet his album sold 5x what his last one did because of Dre affiliation

If u wanna sit here and argue an album that sold 400,000 records in the mid 90s rapping about the same shyt damn near every rapper from his city already did, u go ahead and do that

Like I said u jay z Stan's exist in some fukkin bizarro world, I ain't trying to join u there

you just killed your own argument with that Eminem comment and proved @mobbinfms point that Eminem was the main reason the album sold and not vice-versa.

Eminem saved dr dre and aftermath PERIOD. lol @ Eminem becoming a superstar because of dre's album. 2001 was beneficiary to Eminem in the sense that it made white folks comfortable when hyping up Eminem because he was being cosigned by all these established black rappers. that's the only thing 2001 did for Eminem.

xzibit's breakthrough into the mainstream was "bi*ch please" off of snoop's album(the same album where the dre/snoop reunion actually occurred. BEFORE 2001). that and just being affiliated with the surbuban powerhouse crew known as aftermath is what boosted xzibit's sales.

@ whoever said that xzibit was previously only known by the west coast and backpackers.

 

[ManBearPig]

"to get loot and crossover like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
"

that line always got me like because dude was a post player.

Rapgenius helped me out of that shyt

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

lol @ "to get loot and crossover like kareem Abdul-Jabbar".

horrible.

lines like that pretty much personify why this is mostly an album for tackheads.

 

[ManBearPig]

lol @ "to get loot and crossover like kareem Abdul-Jabbar".

horrible.

lines like that pretty much personify why this is mostly an album for tackheads.

Rapgenius.com saved the day for me

The career NBA points leader wasn’t known for his crossover dribble, but he DID famously cross over from sports to film, as both an apprentice and costar to Bruce Lee in The Game Of Death

or Hittman just needed to rhyme something with "stars"

either way, that line didn't overcome the greatness of 2001 regardless. But this thread should have been the first Chronics vs RD or 2001 vs The Blueprint. There should not be a reason to think 2001 was a overall better album than Reasonable Doubt unless you're a Jay-Z hater or person living in California.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

This comparison makes no sense at all and the OP probably wasn't even listening to hip hop when these albums came out

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I just want to know when dr dre 2001 became a street album.

that chit was always a suburban classic, unless you on the west.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

I just want to know when dr dre 2001 became a street album.

The comp can't oppose, dope Cali platinum classicals
And cash, always in my grasp
Came up in the game wearin khakis not kangols, stranglin hoes
When asked about it in most interviews I just laugh
Now I vacate with hoes with a gang of ass
One feed me mangoes, the other lightin my hash
Came home uptight, ready to mash
like a gas pedal, get on that sixty-four Chevy level
AK-47 heavy metal
Who say Dre ain't ghetto? Just whistle like a tea kettle

 

[Techniec]

I just want to know when dr dre 2001 became a street album.

that chit was always a suburban classic, unless you on the west.

it was an everything classic, thats an album that cant be relegated to some inferior status like RD, which was an afterthought when it dropped

eminem went from 3 million on SSLP to 10 million with MMLP, 2001 was that stepping stone up

they both benfited each other dre and em

yall can argue this retarded azz argument of RD being more influential than 2001 all you want

im done with this thread yall keep tho

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

im not saying that the content isn't street. it just wasn't accepted on that level.

it was more of a suburban smash.

it was an everything classic, thats an album that cant be relegated to some inferior status like RD, which was an afterthought when it dropped

eminem went from 3 million on SSLP to 10 million with MMLP, 2001 was that stepping stone up

they both benfited each other dre and em

yall can argue this retarded azz argument of RD being more influential than 2001 all you want

im done with this thread yall keep tho

lol. I don't know why some of yall insist on acting as if 2001 was the chronic.

@mobbinfms already shut you down about them Eminem sales thing. and looking at the way youre embellishing those figures, I can tell that you are aware that he shut you down as well.

who am I for?

camel man? HELL TO THE NO. this thread is just ridiculous.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

im not saying that the content isn't street. it just wasn't accepted on that level.

it was more of a suburban smash.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Yup the album didn't help launch anyone into stardom or help out any careers, it's not what it's made out to be....

It didn't help launch Eminem into super stardom.

It didn't help take Xzibit from Ras Kass Jr status to a house hold name.

It didn't breath new life into Snoop's career and make him 'cool' in the mainstream again.

It didn't launch Scott Storch into stardom and highly sought after for production by everyone from Timbaland to 50 Cent.

It didn't do any of this because well, Dre and Hitman had a falling out so he didn't blow up. Trumps it all.

On a side note the cross over line was a basketball reference and a movie reference, it's a double entendre, ironically enough while you guys are comparing Reasonable Doubt and 2001. That is why the line before it is "Oh yeah I scream on stars" you should probably...you know....listen to music instead of just skim through it?