Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[Born2BKing]

If you say anything negative about the black community and you're black you get hate poured on you.



That's how it is

You sound like a cornball brother

 

[Kane]

You're a fukking c00n if you agree with this shyt.

And if you do, you better not say shyt when unarmed black men are killed.

Exactly this shyt is inexcusable.

You see all the Cosby defenders conveniently glossed over this part.

 

[A Real Human Bean]

It was extremely ignorant and he declined to speak about the circumstances that led to the scenes he was describing. He didn't say anything challenging, intelligent or eye-opening. You can find his exact sentiments expressed in the comment sections of Yahoo news articles and Youtube videos. I suppose you think they too are just trying to give black people some "tough love"?

Anyone who takes an objective look at the history of Blacks in the U.S. knows we are, and have been, in a bad condition in this country from our arrival, with only a few decades of relative freedom and opportunity as compared with white citizens. Cosby's speech was just rubbing it in.

Now, a lot was accomplished in the 1960's but my no means did it result in complete freedom and equal opportunity for blacks. Soon after, Nixon relaunched the "war on drugs", which became a lot harsher under Reagan and his successors. This, coupled with the general neoliberal assault on the working class that has been steadily increasing since the 60s, have had disastrous effects for the black population and, really, for the great majority of Americans.

All I saw in this speech was a comedian spewing racist stereotypes and making a great, big joke out of the black condition, for the world to see. I don't see why he should be commended for that.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

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The only thing wrong with bruh speech is that it wasn't kept "in-house".
The Black community doesn't need it's biz and dirty laundry aired out in the streets every chance ppl get, especially not from our own people.

Blacks done sold the culture for a quick buck long ago.

I agree wholeheartedly. But with these speeches, we should also be encouraging the obvious which is wealth, wealth, and wealth. Period.
Cosby might give to colleges and whatnot, but we need to build wealth. Money talks. It's ridiculous that we're still waiting for the white man to put us on the same level playing field instead of just creating our own platforms.

If im nkt mistaken he talked about owning businesses in the speech.

Yeah,

I challenge one person to state how and why it was better for cosby to give his speech this way... in a way that more white people heard it than black.. and most of the blacks he was particularly vilifying and generalizing didn't even hear the shyt.

This isn't what I had an issue with though.... I actually had issues with the simplicity and ignorance of his speech.

We knowbreh he hurt your feelings. What other speeches by black leaders have opened that segment of the community up? Farhakan?

Didn't he give this speech in front of a majority cac audience? My father told me this years ago and hasn't liked him since. It wasn't about what he said, it was where he said it.

This is what im saying, people will here that and go out and say thats why they dont fukk wit Cosby and it nothing you could tell them and they'd be dead wrong. Not attacking you though.[/COLOR]

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

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Because that's all people like to talk about. Always shytting on blacks bringin up the same talking points over n over.

He talking to blacks. People say black on black crime should be discussed with other blacks. He did that, now its "he wasnt nice enough when he said it." Smdh

No they don't NEED to be said over and over and over. Y'all just the type like to focus on negativity 24/7. YOU need to say these things. Can't fukk wit y'all

So black people should only comment of bigot police once and let the rest ride even when it keeps happening?

1. Your main problems with the speech concern its tone and delivery

2. How was it oversimplified, lacking in content, and not thought out? Because, thus far, I've deconstructed that argument. Please explain

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/cosby.asp#8lyWhZvftlO83YDj.99



Mohammed isn't even an African or "black" name..

(When we give these kinds names to our children, we give them the strength and inspiration in the meaning of those names. What's the point of giving them strong names if there is not parenting and values backing it up). In the link to the speech ^^^that came after what you posted. Do you disagree with that. Do you want "The Bookie" to be synonymous with poverty, illiteracy and crime?[/COLOR]

 

[philmonroe]

Are we talking real African names of real African warriors and/or of real African origin or some made up bs? 95% of the time it's made up bs. Some of you know where this dude is coming from but you are letting your emotions blind you. You end up doing alot of the stuff you accuse him of doing. It's so fun to sit back and watch psychology at work.

Bold is so true there is a thread talking about cats spending their money on material stuff and cats sound just like exactly what your talking about in bold. Its funny that they don't realize it either.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

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   DarlingNikki commented: (Just because the people you know aint shyt doesn't make what he said ok. Foh.) Post #11233403
   @DarlingNikki
   Mam, he was talking about blacks that aint shyt. Do you honestly think he intended this speech for all black Americans?
   
   If its a pack of women walking who dont know each other and a guy yells "hey whore!" Do you get upset?

 

[mamba]

 

[Wildin]

He was basically saying, "yes, we have a bad hand but we're still playing the game badly."

People dont understand the quote.

 

[filial_piety]

But bruhette..

I'm tired of explainin. I'm tired of excuses. I'm tired of "bu bu but look at what happened to us "


How many fukking times do we have to pass around the fukking Willie Lynch letter and all agree "mm hmm that's what they're doing to us mm hmm", but then don't do shyt about combatting it


On a public forum (such as the way Cosby's speech got delivered) yeah I would want the history of how we got here explained FIRST before the criticisms flew...

But if we amongst ourselves?, man fukk all that bu bu but this what happened shyt.

By now 2014 we ALL KNOW it's not our fault that we're like this.

We know that there's been systematic fukking-over of us at play for the past hundreds of years. We don't need to keep harpin on dat shyt.

Now is the time to look WITHIN and start fixing shyt from the inside out. fukk all that 'bu bu but the white man did this' type shyt it's sink or swim time now mothafukkas. 2015. We either improve our position, or we get eaten up like shark food while complaining about being in said position.

 

[the next guy]

It doesn't matter what you address on your end if you continue to ignore your enemy.

If you fail to realize the tactics and strategies being used against you- you will stay right where your enemy wants you to be.

This is not a game- this is war. We are losing and will continue to lose until we realize that. The problem is that they see you as the enemy but you don’t see them as yours. You want to sit around in this state of delusion while the same things repeat themselves over and over.

How much more evidence do you need to realize that this "system" you speak of is comprised of a group of individual people who have no intention on changing.

If you build and build while ignoring the fact that it will be torn down, disrupted, or sabotaged- then what is the point? Is the point to say you tried, or is the point to be victorious?

Wake up. Or be sitting around 300 years from now still singing the same old “we shall overcome”.

welcome to the coli ! nice post.

 

[filial_piety]

If I could I'd rep you because this exactly what I'm always saying. It can't be 2014 and dudes still using the same reasoning for why they can't get it popping that our grandparents had who definitely had it worse than us from an achievement perspective. We have the Internet and ability to do a lot of things from a success standpoint but some people still have "reasons" are honestly holding us back collectively. If we can't be real with each other or tell honest truths we are failing each other IMO. Its not like we don't know what the obstacles are its now at a time of what are you going to do to make it better for the future generations.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Meh, I don't look for ways to carry myself from a rapist.

 

[Wild self]

A lot of people are butt-hurt that Cosby called out the black community for collectively dropping the ball, especially in the time periods since Brown v. board of Education and the Civil Rights Movement. Although systematic racism and discrimination plays a huge role in the black community's current state and dysfunction, Cosby was right for calling us all out and begging us to take personal responsibility for our decisions (by going to school, speaking properly, dressing accordingly, treating ourselves with respect, etc.) instead of begging white society to change or solely relying on God.

Needless to say, this message didn't go over so well with many members of the black community (nor did it go down well with the white liberal media). A major reason why the speech didn't go down so well is because white conservatives have utilized Cosby's speech to slam the condition of the black community. To many people, there was very little difference between Cosby's speech and Bill O'Reilly's rant against minorities.

However, despite the harsh delivery of Cosby's speech, one cannot validly argue that Cosby was lying or that he wanted to attack blacks. There was a great deal of unadulterated truth in his speech and the people who continue to hate on the substance of his speech obviously had their nerves struck (or are even guilty of what Cosby was speaking against).

At the very worst, Cosby's delivery was rude and judgmental. But the most objective person would find that the substance of his speech was nothing but the truth. Some don't like the truth, though.

I agree. A lot of that shyt the NOI also be talking about, but I see no one shytting on Farrakhan

 

[Tommy Knocks]

People keep saying he should have said it in house but he said it at the NAACP anniversary, it doesnt get more inhouse than that.

I never had a problem with the speech. We cant keep sitting around waiting for cacs to help or acknowledge shyt, we gotta make moves. Sulking never helped anyone. We already know what led to the shyt, how do we fix it? talking about a broken sink, doesnt fix the sink.