Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"
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IllmaticDelta
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Im talking from a mass appeal POV. Even in NY where he locally known he wasn't a "star"
You right about Ghost.
Rae had top 5 rap singles too. I always thought putting two songs into one chart position was fishy though. But both Jay and Rae got it so
I don't think Rae got a plaque. Rae sold more albums though.
Are you really arguing Nas wasn't heralded as the second coming and the album wasn't considered an instant classic/masterpiece amongst that community? Jay definitely did better commercially.Reasonable Doubt was more successful and had hit singles so you hidin behind that "core community" term knowin you can't prove heads felt Illmatic more.
On the low has some of Jay's best records. And worst records.Every In My Lifetime was trash
He was 12 going on 13.
Nas was heraled as the second coming though and the album was thought of as a masterpiece. Jay wasn't and RD wasn't.Reasonble doubt sold like Illmatic did.
so Nas wasn't hot in 1994
That I agree with.
the cac mamba
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neither is "you been in this ten, i been in it 5" when hawaiian sophie dropped in 89
i'm not a hater, but i was around when the album dropped. yes, numbers didn't determine if people fukked with you and illmatic, the infamous and a couple of other classic albums did similar numbers. but reasonable doubt was not one of those albums. jay-z was that breh in the foxy brown video and resonable doubt was on nobodies radar. it wasn't considered an underground classic, it was just one of many mafioso rap albums dropping at the time. i remember a source article covering the puff daddy and the family tour in 1997 calling jay, who was a support act, an "overrated technician" and his performance forgettableat quoting someone telling you that they and people that they knew fukked with the album when it first came out, just to tell them "nobody cared about the album". You haters are so miserable that you don't even care about logic.
i'm not hating on
i like a lot of his records (including reasonable doubt) and think that the blueprint is one of the best albums ever recorded in rap. i'm just calling it as it is. jay blew up in '98 with hard knock life, before that, he was on nobodies list. but beginning with the promotion of the blueprint, jay started to rewrite history. there was a huge marketing campaign that culminated in his "retirement" and the black album, trying to make jay the greatest rapper ever and the king of ny. but the truth is, that his first album, while pretty good in retrospect, wasn't considered a classic until jay started saying that it was so often, that people began to repeat it. we can argue that it was slept on, but it was never a classic. the same is true for his own status in rap. jay was never the hottest rapper out, there was always somebody bigger than him. from his debut in 96 to his retirment in 2003 and the whole president carter shtick, tupac, nas, biggie, eminem, dmx, ja rule and 50 cent were all bigger then him. in every single year, somebody else was the hottest rapper. jay was the most consistent rapper, starting the trend to drop an album every year, releasing a couple if singles that did pretty well and going one or two times platinum with every album after vol. 2. but he was never the hottest rapper, he never outsold everybody else and he was never king of ny (at least at a time when that title still meant something). he had a nice consistent run from '98 until 2003 and somehow managed to inflate his own status by claiming that he was bigger than he actually was 
pete rock and cl smooth influenced a lot of albums that came after them, especially production wise. for a time, almost every producer bit pete rock. black on both sides put conscious rap back in the spotlight. rd did nothing similar. yes, jay's rhyming was great and ahead of its time, but the album followed an established formula and jay didn't start a movement until the dynasty dropped
Inspect Her Deck
Skins of all colours come together as brothers
Full of short,sweet,horrible opinions this morning,mobbin go eat
Wonder if you will get accused of east coast bias for saying such things
Im talking about Plies The Real Testament,not albums that get shelved so long they shouldve expired and never came out
Pimp of The Year is clearly greater in every capacity,your bias shining through on that one....whats next Can You Feel It better than Can You Feel Me,is that your grand finale
Illmatic bettr than Doggystyle?do i even need to address that?Snoop didnt need to tell everybody how great Doggystyle was,Snoop unjustly aint get 5 mics and didnt need em.....he had top 3 most anticipated album of all time,REALLY made a impact in real time,was also the most anticipated EMCEE of all time NATIONALLY....You see these is real stats
Yall can try to rewrite history,but yall false prophets gon have to come better in 2017...no more letting yall live in a a fantasy world,no more letting people live in the east coast version of the matrix where everybody rocks timbs at every occasion
MK25toLife
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Explain "hot" though, Dead Presidents and Ain't No were hitting HARD in the DMV in '96.