Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[Inspect Her Deck]

No nikka. no. Ur wrong too. Reasonable Doubt came out on the back end doing what nikkas already was doing for a couple years already. Which is why it didn't STAND OUT. not commercially. Not culturally. U had dope albums. And u had albums that changed the game culturally. And u had albums that changed the game culturally and commercially. Then u had the albums that did NONE of that. Reasonable Doubt did NONE of that upon initial release. I can list Illmatic and Doggy style in the same sentence to make my point of both albums having an impact but a different type of impact. NEVER did I say it was the same.

Now you gonna tell me RD derived from Cuban Linx when they aren't that alike....IWW was more in that lane than RD was.

Yes to your point, Illmatic changed the game culturally....kinda. But we'll say yes. Commercially flop. Doggystyle did both, they aren't in the same league. YOU are making this point but you can't put 2+2 together to reach the same conclusion for some reason.

 

[mobbinfms]

/thread

No. Open thread.

We back

 

[spliz]

Now you gonna tell me RD derived from Cuban Linx when they aren't that alike....IWW was more in that lane than RD was.

Yes to your point, Illmatic changed the game culturally....kinda. But we'll say yes. Commercially flop. Doggystyle did both, they aren't in the same league. YOU are making this point but you can't put 2+2 together to reach the same conclusion for some reason.

Dog. How do yall listen to rap with such terrible comprehension skills? I'm and I'm not saying it derived from Cuban Linx stylistically. But the drug dealer/rapper persona was being done already and Jay was on the back end of it. And shyt. Listen to Bring It On. Mafioso track right there. It wasn't looked at as anything new at the time. And it was his DEBUT album. Therefore it got lost in the sauce. Even tho Jay came from a more realistic perspective. Smh. And I NEVER said Illmatic and Doggystyle were on the same level. nikka did u even read my posts in this thread before u chimed in? I literally said Doggystyle was different cause it did both. Smh.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Dog. How do yall listen to rap with such terrible comprehension skills? I'm and I'm not saying it derived from Cuban Linx stylistically. But the drug dealer/rapper persona was being done already and Jay was on the back end of it. And shyt. Listen to Bring It On. Mafioso track right there. It wasn't looked at as anything new at the time. And it was his DEBUT album. Therefore it got lost in the sauce. Even tho Jay came from a more realistic perspective. Smh. And I NEVER said Illmatic and Doggystyle were on the same level. nikka did u even read my posts in this thread before u chimed in? I literally said Doggystyle was different cause it did both. Smh.

Ok my bad I was going off StillNot posts. If he was quoting you then maybe he was mistaken or maybe someone else made those claims .

 

[spliz]

Ok my bad I was going off StillNot posts. If he was quoting you then maybe he was mistaken or maybe someone else made those claims .

Son this is why I kept saying he was making his own arguments. It's the very literal reason. Lol. My argument was that Reasonable Doubt did NONE. Lol

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

Son this is why I kept saying he was making his own arguments. It's the very literal reason. Lol. My argument was that Reasonable Doubt did NONE. Lol

I can agree with that

 

[letti cook]

not gonna read through all 38 pages of this but what else is there to say besides he was right? Anyone who was of age and remembers when this album dropped should remember it as a decent, OKAY drop-in-the-bucket of albums during a year in which 99% of the country was thinking of everything else EXCEPT for Jay-Z. It's easy to look back with monday morning QB vision and certify it as a classic but it definitely did NOT have that feel when it came out. When it dropped it was a typical east coast money/mafioso rap album and there was absolutely nothing groundbreaking or special about it. Anyone who tells you otherwise either wasn't there or is a delusional Jay stan. Which is acceptable...Jay is great... but get the facts straight. No one was saying he was GREAT up to, and immediately after this album. That GOAT status came with time and unfortunately came with the deaths and fall-offs of a lot of other people in the game... facts. I couldn't help but laugh at the 25 year anniversary recently and people lauding this album as a classic. It isn't even Jay's best album and isn't in the same league as his peer's "firsts" that get mentioned as classics

thread shouldve have been closed when nikkas dropped Jay's "I gave you prophecy on the first joint, you all lamed out...." line.
Hov knew it. He's spent the last decade framing RD as an overlooked classic.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

If that's the case u been dikkriding and jerkin off @StillNotSoft. That's my dude but he's literally the only person in the thread that agrees with ya shytty points. Which I don't even think he even fully agrees with u. tho.

lmao

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

dog I'm not saying Illmatic and Doggystyle had the SAME kind of impact. I'm just arguing that they both had an impact. While Reasonable Doubt didnt. This is what I mean when I say yall creating yall own arguments. U literally been glossing over the fact I been saying the same shyt since the beginning. And in hip hop circles. It gets more tricky with Illmatic vs Ready To Die. They can very much be compared when it comes to cultural impact. Ready To Die had Illmatic influences for christ sakes. Biggie had those commercial singles that pushed him over the top as far as sales n shyt. But culturally they were being pit against eachother.

You said it changed sound
then you said it changed stagnation,then you said it was more people biting the west from 94-96. Youre so confused. Illmatic changed nothing. You admitted it yourself.

 

[noodles]

These Jigga stans don't even remember him rappin like the Fu Schnickens until Illmatic dropped...

 

[spliz]

You said it changed sound
then you said it changed stagnation,then you said it was more people biting the west from 94-96. Youre so confused. Illmatic changed nothing. You admitted it yourself.

Nope. tho.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Nope. tho.

No reason to be

 

[Bolzmark]

These Jigga stans don't even remember him rappin like the Fu Schnickens until Illmatic dropped...

Illmatic may very well be the greatest hip hop album ever but to say that it changed the way Jay rapped is ridiculous. Everybody knew that style of rappin, like the Das Efx style, was temporary.

 

[spliz]

No reason to be

I know. But for some reason tho. Atleast we agree on Pac lil homie.
. Lol

 

[hex]

RD sold 420,000 copies in 96. He had a gold single. How is that NOBODY?

DAS EFX had a platinum album and gold single and nobody in their right mind would say they were a major factor in '92.

Fred.