Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[Big Boss]

@IllmaticDelta stay with facts



nikka be doing his homework

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

@IllmaticDelta stay with facts



nikka be doing his homework

Fact is Nas flopped and switched styles to stay in the game,turned from a Boom bapish queens goon to a jiggy nikka in a pink suit tryna get cute. Might as well signed to bad boy

 

[Big Boss]

Fact is Nas flopped and switched styles to stay in the game,turned from a Boom bapish queens goon to a jiggy nikka in a pink suit tryna get cute. Might as well signed to bad boy

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Postin pages of a article written by a random person don't mean every head was sayin he was hip hop Jesus in 94.

these jigga and 2pac stans are mad about the gods debut influence/second coming of rakim facts I always come with those receipts







Large Professor On '90s Babies, Nas & Rakim's Relationship And Lupe Fiasco's Rights To "T.R.O.Y."

DX: While I’m asking about Nas, I gotta ask about your revelation during his recent Behind The Music episode that Nas and Rakim actually spoke back in ‘89/’90 when you snuck Nas in on Ra’s studio time, and that Ra actually gave Nas the thumbs up on what he was doing. I never knew that happened; I never knew they had even spoken. But I just wanted to know, truthfully, wasn’t Ra actually a little aggy about that whole situation, that these younger cats were taking his time to do their thing?

Large Professor: Nah, Rakim wasn’t aggravated at all. Rakim was on his own thought process, like his own thought track.

I mean, because we were divvying up a lot of time between [Rakim and Kool G Rap]. G Rap was working on his joint, [Wanted: Dead or Alive]. Eric B just had the studio booked. The studio was just booked. And, at that time, he was executive producing G. Rap’s album, he was executive producing his own album [with Rakim, Let The Rhythm Hit ‘Em]. And, sometimes G. Rap took like a big break in between [his recordings] and so [Eric] was like, “Yo Paul, do some beats or do whatever you want, but I need something to come out of every session.” And so I was like, “Yo, I got my man down the block in Queensbridge, he rhymes.” “Alright, Paul, get him in the studio, man. Let’s just make sure every session counts.”

And so when Rakim came in it was like, “Yo Ra, check this out.” And he really listened to it and was like, “Yeah, alright, no doubt baby pa.” You know, that kind of thing. And, the only thing with me is that I really wish brothers would have had they real mogul hat on, where it’s like, “Alright, yo, let me hear something else.” Or like, “Yo, who is that?” He kinda was just like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s alright, now let me get to work.

I just wish he would have been a little bit more [trails off].

DX: Of a mentor kind of thing?

Large Professor: Yeah. Something like that, definitely.

DX: I always thought it wasn’t so much personal or anything but that the media kind of did that in when they started anointing Nas “the second coming.”

Large Professor: Right.

DX: I always just speculated that Ra took a little offense to that and that’s why he never really worked with Nas.

Large Professor: Right, right, right.

DX: You don’t have any extra insight into that, if that’s true or not?

Large Professor: Well, with Rakim and Nas, it wasn’t nurtured.

The dudes [in the Paid In Full Posse] who were co-signing Nas couldn’t really get to Rakim like that, like Supreme [Magnetic], [DJ] Hot Day, Ant Live – Ant Live was Eric B’s brother. Like, a lot of times when I’d be doing the sessions I’d be in there getting busy and I’d be doing Nas shyt and Supreme would come in and be like, “Yo, that shyt is hot!” Or Hot Day would be in there and be like, “Yo Paul, that shyt is hot right there, y’all doing good” kind of thing.

But Rakim was kinda in his own zone, where it was like, “Yo, be quiet.” Like, “When Ra is here, just let that man think.” We gonna chill and let him get his work done kind of shyt. So, you know, for it to be like that to begin with, you wouldn’t come and overlap and be like, Yo Ra, by the way, Nas man – It was just good that he came in on it and that he did have knowledge of [Nas]. I wasn’t even trying to push the issue. I wasn’t like, Yo, you should sign him! It was just like, nah, now Ra gotta get [in the studio] and do what Ra gotta do. ‘Cause that’s the God right there, so it’s like, “Alright, we gotta turn this shyt off, wrap this shyt up real quick and let Rakim do what he gotta do.”

I just wish Rakim was more – Rakim took precedence over everything in there. When Rakim rolled up it was like, "Yo, alright, get in your place, do what you do now. Like, straighten up and shyt." That was the kind of [vibe]. I just wish Ra would have been like, "Yo, young blood, you should have did like this," - you know, that kind of thing. But, he had to write an album, so I guess that’s where that [lack of attention towards Nas] came from. But I know if we would have had his blessings, it would have been just some stellar shyt. Like, these dudes have just got the hierarchy.

Large Professor On '90s Babies, Nas & Rakim's Relationship And Lupe Fiasco's Rights To "T.R.O.Y."



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Links to articles coddling nas, mean nothing. The people didn't take to it and there's no proof it changed anything. nikkas think dikk riding articles hold more weight than actual documented sales (or lack there of) meant. One of a arguments was he swayed the sound from west coast dikk riding to East coast pride, but that was proven untrue.
We've had weirdos that claimed he brought NY back commercially , untrue also. All the articles don't change the fact nas flopped and switched to a more Notorious style to survive

you keep making the mistake of thinking sells is the only way to have an impact when I already said nas had an artistic/lyrical impact with Illmatic and was universally critically acclaimed for it that transcended commercial charting. jayz had nothing like that with RD.

 

[Stack Money]

these jigga and 2pac stans are mad about the gods debut influence/second coming of rakim facts I always come with those receipts







Large Professor On '90s Babies, Nas & Rakim's Relationship And Lupe Fiasco's Rights To "T.R.O.Y."



Large Professor On '90s Babies, Nas & Rakim's Relationship And Lupe Fiasco's Rights To "T.R.O.Y."



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you keep making the mistake of thinking sells is the only way to have an impact when I already said nas had an artistic/lyrical impact with Illmatic and was universally critically acclaimed for it that transcended commercial charting. jayz had nothing like that with RD.

You got the audacity to call anyone else a stan when you STAY on Nas dikk, this the second thread you been goin hard defendin his nuts in and the second time I made you catch feelins over your idol.

@ you gettin giddy about your "receipts". That video from 2012 is irrelevant cause we all know in hindsight cats viewed him that way, that other video is sayin his skill and style was like Rakim cause he clearly was heavily influenced by him and even in that quote you posted it says he met dude at the beginnin of his career and got a co-sign (that article is also from yet another random prolly cac writer who's opinion holds no weight anyway).

You boldin that "media" part but we ain't even hear nothin about Nas out here back then so it must've been a small number of people in the "media" hypin him up, you tryna say every head viewed him as the best rapper immediately after Illmatic dropped when most didn't which is why it flopped and you can't back that up wit ACTUAL receipts. The irony is in the same breathe you agreein wit Future that Jay didn't make no noise when Reasonable Doubt came out even tho they both sold around the same amount and Jay had heads out here bumpin his shyt which is more than you can say for Nas in 94 showin you just bein a hypocritical Nas stan/Jay hater.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

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you keep making the mistake of thinking sells is the only way to have an impact when I already said nas had an artistic/lyrical impact with Illmatic and was universally critically acclaimed for it that transcended commercial charting. jayz had nothing like that with RD.

What did Nas Newly bring to the table?
So far in this (and other illmatic discussions) the following has been debunked.
Nas brought the east coast back,FALSE
Nas made people stop jocking the west and regain east coast pride,FALSE
Nas was the first to assemble multiple well known producers on one project,FALSE also.

NOW,if you're saying east coast media was hyping him up and hailing him to do it big,i agree. They were.
But did he do it big,NAW.
Biggie did it big and nas mimicked his approach so he wouldnt flop the second go round.

 

[Gravity]

Fact is Nas flopped and switched styles to stay in the game,turned from a Boom bapish queens goon to a jiggy nikka in a pink suit tryna get cute. Might as well signed to bad boy

The funny thing is that Nas admitted to switching it up and following bad boy with iww and his true diehard fans(not these bytchmade Internet Nas trolls) called him out for it.

 

[spliz]

The funny thing is that Nas admitted to switching it up and following bad boy with iww and his true diehard fans(not these bytchmade Internet Nas trolls) called him out for it.

Everybody who posting in this thread has said this. He cleaned his sound up and expanded. But wasn't shyt "Bad Boy" about IWW. At all. I got a million daps for breaking this shyt down in other threads from these SAME nikkas in this thread tryna tell me what's what. Everyone knows Illmatic didn't have a commercial impact. But these nikkas in here tryna argue that it had NO impact which is a God damn lie.

 

[spliz]

Fact is Nas flopped and switched styles to stay in the game,turned from a Boom bapish queens goon to a jiggy nikka in a pink suit tryna get cute. Might as well signed to bad boy

1. There was still boom bap on IWW. 2. nikka was still a queens goon on the album. 3. Was funny as fukk. Lol. 4. The very most important thing. Is .

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You got the audacity to call anyone else a stan when you STAY on Nas dikk, this the second thread you been goin hard defendin his nuts in and the second time I made you catch feelins over your idol.

@ you gettin giddy about your "receipts". That video from 2012 is irrelevant cause we all know in hindsight cats viewed him that way, that other video is sayin his skill and style was like Rakim cause he clearly was heavily influenced by him and even in that quote you posted it says he met dude at the beginnin of his career and got a co-sign (that article is also from yet another random prolly cac writer who's opinion holds no weight anyway).

the fuk you talking aboutHow many receipts do I need to post for yall to get it through your thick skulls?

 

[ISO]

Nikkas love talking about the same shyt on here lol

 

[Still Benefited]

Since yall like "receipts" go take a look at that thread,might be alone in here,but wasnt alone in there with nikkas calling nonsense,unless the opinions of peers mean nothing,but obvious bias journalist do.
A QUESTION FOR THE OLD HEADS.....DID ILLMATIC REALLY HAVE AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT AS PEOPLE SAY.....


Far as the second coming of Rakim,nikkas thought Adrien Broner was the second coming of mayweather too for a hot second.....i alreay broke down how Rakim did what Nas COULDNT and DIDNT with Illmatic...he ended up fulfilling his prophecy later on,partially we can thank Jay for getting him back on the right track

Illmatic definitley failed to make the impact Rakim and Paid In full did,in a era where hiphop didnt even have as much reach.

Nas was a failure his first album,makes for an interesting journey he's had in his career....all that second coming talk means nothing when it was nikkas beating him out in his own city for lyricist of the year,imagine that happening to Rakim?plus a nikka from the west who wasnt as lyrical was still the most anticipated emcee of the time that EVERYBODY wanted to hear RAP...cant take that from Snoop,nikkas loved his style

 

[Gravity]

Everybody who posting in this thread has said this. He cleaned his sound up and expanded. But wasn't shyt "Bad Boy" about IWW. At all. I got a million daps for breaking this shyt down in other threads from these SAME nikkas in this thread tryna tell me what's what. Everyone knows Illmatic didn't have a commercial impact. But these nikkas in here tryna argue that it had NO impact which is a God damn lie.

You say "nas cleaned up his sound and expanded" but he deliberately set out to make an album that appealed commercially getting Steve stoute as his manager and using the track masters as producers. Big/Puff definitely influenced him. He admitted to doing this because illmatic didn't make any money. Those are facts but you can spin it and "clean it up" however you want.

Illmatic's impact is greatly exaggerated. It was much hyped in ny but outside of the tri-state area nobody really gave a fukk. I'm from the south and only the real hip hop heads even knew about illmatic when it first came out. Every day regular dudes didn't give a fukk about Nas until I ruled the world with Lauryn. The same logic cats are using to question illmatic' impact is the same logic that cats are using to question RD. if you aren't defending RD from cats talking that ignorant shyt like future then don't defend illmatic either. There are plenty of rappers who got more shine than nas in '94. Big, wu, snoop, cube, bone thugs, ect all were bigger than nas with albums out that got more play than illmatic.

 

[Big Boss]

@StillNotSoft coming with facts

 

[Tom Foolery]

Nas laid the foundation for east coast hip-hop in the 90's.
Quote me if you want to get served.