Future - "Reasonable Doubt was not hot when it dropped"

[IllmaticDelta]

You ain't post no receipts just cause you call them that doesn't make it true, meanwhile we've posted actual receipts that you ignorin.

stop it

If we bein real Jay was more influential wit Reasonable Doubt than Nas was wit Illmatic,

 

[Tom Foolery]

What's off topic and what is revisionist history?

Point it out please

1.What did Nas bring that was new?

2. When you say west coast funk grooves were at the forefront and dominating,what do you mean? How were they dominating,like in what way?

3a. What was new about Nasir's style? So what it wasnt the 80's anymore.Are you implying it was cool to jack rakim's style cause it was no longer the 80's? If not,what does that statement mean?
3b. Lmao,absolute Nonsense. 1st off, Nas changed what?
When Nas was hurting cause he flopped,Method Man was flourishing. Meanwhile nas had to change his approach just to get some traction.
.
You said Nas (illmatic era) was the reason,nikkas wasnt rhyming in "over the top styles anymore" but I clearly pointed out two artists with defined styles (from the east) whom debuts dropped right after his,yet were selling faster than illmatic and whom they influenced or not doesnt change that . Especially when Nasir's style was so ineffective that he was forced to switch up immediately just to survive in hiphop. In 1996 The Fugees and Busta were both very style influenced acts. And that's just the east. It took a member of a style based group to help put nas over from flop-ville to hitsville.
On a nationwide level downplaying the influence of Bone and Outkast is laughable.
Till this day there are multiple stars across the country with stand out styles that are very successful.
And Nas is as guilty of cashing in on another person's style as anyone you're attempting to get at.
Being like nas was not a key for NY coming back,being like biggie was.
Jay
Nas
Pun

All took that biggie approach to success.

1. I already told you he merged the MC, The Conscious rapper and the grittiness of the tongue twister.
2. They sampled more funk hits instead of jazz. At the time it was more popular.
3. Rakim influences all MCs, but the flow is not the same. Meth influenced no one, if so Who? That's what we are taking about. See, there is a time period between Rakim and Meth you are not talking about.

Let me ask you a question. Who won The Grammy's Rap album of the Year in 1996?

 

[raw613]

I listened to RD back then, but I do remember while some I knew were playing it, it wasn't like a couple years later when everyone was up on Jay

 

[Tom Foolery]

its the same damn Meth,Nas wish he could bring that energy to a track.....yall gon just throw whatever at the wall hoping it sticks i see.....i just gave you the receipts you been asking for and this the counter attack?...receipts was all good when it was Nas propaganda though,yall see this right?onlookers and coli guest,zoom in tight and see the slick shyt these nikkas tryna pull....

You realize you didnt do anything to downplay Meths impact and influence right?which is what you asked for.

Glad we all agree we done arguing with each other,Spliz think he slick not answering my simple yes or no question that wouldve burried his credibility,see u got time to come back in cosigning and talking shyt though


Ill just let the people decide who was reaching,creating new arguments,being hypocrites,backing down from receipts,juelz gif'ing all over the place.

lol you're telling me you don't notice Meth has basic rhyme patterns in the first song? and right off the bat in Bring the Pain
Find out my mental's based on instrumental
Records hey, so I could write monumental

You can't see his flow and timing has tightened up.?
You can't see he's less animated and more lyrical? "Hey Hey Hey like Faaaaaat Albert"

I don't take receipts. It's either you illustrate that you know or fall back. Anyone can google album sale and post article, Only a teacher can illustrate.

You pretty much just sonned yourself admitting you have to resort to google searching article to talk about something you don't know.

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

Ya'll see why a breh like Future is ahead of the game tho

He said in about a hundred interviews he study the game like its a class. He studied the Beatles to make his hooks. He studied Pac and Jay for his bars

This is his words not mine.


HENDRIX

And the nikka still wack as hell

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

1. I already told you he merged the MC, The Conscious rapper and the grittiness of the tongue twister.
2. They sampled more funk hits instead of jazz. At the time it was more popular.
3. Rakim influences all MCs, but the flow is not the same. Meth influenced no one, if so Who? That's what we are taking about. See, there is a time period between Rakim and Meth you are not talking about.

Let me ask you a question. Who won The Grammy's Rap album of the Year in 1996?

1.Rakim was aleady an Mc,conscious and gritty (as nas would later be) before nas came around.
i dont know what you mean by merged the grittiness of a tongue twisting rapper,i saw zero tongue twist influence in nas at all. And are you saying all tongue twisting rappers had grit?
2.Sampling funk was popular where? In the game as a whole?
3.It's not about who meth influenced,if you're saying nas stopped rappers from being blatantly stylish (which meth was),yet meth came out right after Nas and was way more popular and an instant star. That's evidence that nas didnt make the game shift away from that,as you and others have insinuated or blatantly claimed.
Saying Rakim influenced everyone is a cop out. NO POPULAR rapper ever sounded as much like rakim as nas did and no one was compared as much as nas was because of this.
I dont understand your point regarding the bolded

Poverty's Paradise won the 1996 grammy

 

[Still Benefited]

lol you're telling me you don't notice Meth has basic rhyme patterns in the first song? and right off the bat in Bring the Pain
Find out my mental's based on instrumental
Records hey, so I could write monumental

You can't see his flow and timing has tightened up.?
You can't see he's less animated and more lyrical? "Hey Hey Hey like Faaaaaat Albert"

I don't take receipts. It's either you illustrate that you know or fall back. Anyone can google album sale and post article, Only a teacher can illustrate.

You pretty much just sonned yourself admitting you have to resort to google searching article to talk about something you don't know.

No,just no

First off lol at Meth needing to tighten up his timing and rhymes,when theees no way Nas could float on either one of those beats Meth did.

Second of all no,you do realize he used 3 syllable words sometimes before Nas right?and nikkas aint use 3 syllable words EVER before Nas now?wheres the internal rhymes if he biting Nas so hard?you realize he didnt do that for the whole song and kept the same damn spaztic energetic style if you listen to the whole song....meth had internal rhymes before Nas just not nearly as much,as that wasnt his style.

And wasnt hjs style before Nas or after Nas,because Meth could do much more than that.

Yall sho was dappin up all those Illmaticdelta articles though,and citing them as "reciepts and facts"

Soon as i post one,,since yall just call me a liar when i tell you how it was,now you mad at google and articles.

I bought up method man long before i posted the article,saying what the article said,yall wrote that off though.

are you disputing what the article said about Meth?go ahead and bury yourself?

 

[Still Benefited]

1.Rakim was aleady an Mc,conscious and gritty (as nas would later be) before nas came around.
i dont know what you mean by merged the grittiness of a tongue twisting rapper,i saw zero tongue twist influence in nas at all. And are you saying all tongue twisting rappers had grit?
2.Sampling funk was popular where? In the game as a whole?
3.It's not about who meth influenced,if you're saying nas stopped rappers from being blatantly stylish (which meth was),yet meth came out right after Nas and was way more popular and an instant star. That's evidence that nas didnt make the game shift away from that,as you and others have insinuated or blatantly claimed.
Saying Rakim influenced everyone is a cop out. NO POPULAR rapper ever sounded as much like rakim as nas did and no one was compared as much as nas was because of this.
I dont understand your point regarding the bolded

Poverty's Paradise won the 1996 grammy

Notice how he tried to minimize Rakims influence on Nas by saying "bu bu but he influenced all emcees, but the flow was not the same"

But then had the audacity to try to show Method Man started rapping like Nas after Illmatic,when nothing about Method Mans style was like Nas's

Certainly not the flow

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Notice how he tried to minimize Rakims influence on Nas by saying "bu bu but he influenced all emcees, but the flow was not the same"

But then had the audacity to try to show Method Man started rapping like Nas after Illmatic,when nothing about Method Mans style was like Nas's

Certainly not the flow

Exactly,straight hypocrite shyt

 

[ISO]

Nas said it on one of those VH1 shows....I think My Diary or something like that. Illmatic only sold 17,000 copies either in the entire year of 1994 or that was his first week numbers. I'd have to find the video where he said it to be sure. But he said that he felt like he had made it even with that little bit of albums sold Then he blew through his bread and saw he was still in the projects, so Steve Stoute and the label made sure It Was Written was more commercial with bigger singles and it went double platinum. Illmatic was a commercial flop at the time but, it was so critically acclaimed people didn't realize it. Plus, it was bootlegged so hard in the hood, people probably didn't notice it didn't actually sell anything.

Nah, I think Nas advance was $17,000. Illmatic sold 60,000 first week and was certified Gold a year and a couple months later.

Just a couple years after release Nas voice and lines from this album was being sampled and flipped by mad people and mad MC's from all over old school and new school claim the album influences them.

Nikkas have been arguing about this shyt on this site for years just repetitive AF.

It be the same nikkas too in every thread @StillNotSoft and @bigbadbossup2012

Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt are classics, two of the greatest and most influential albums recorded.

ah thanks for clarifying breh

but now I sound dumb because I was being sarcastic in any case


it still took time I'd imagine....longer than most, no?

Label has to pay for certification and go through an auditing process...

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx one of your favorite albums has been stuck at Gold for over 20 years and SoundScan has the album at 1.1 million copies sold as of 2009. Linx will probably never go Platinum unfortunately.

Illmatic was heavily bootlegged. MC Serch claims he visited a garage with 60,000 bootlegged cassettes. Halftime single came out in '92 seems like nikkas couldn't wait. Also, Illmatic had no pop singles or famous guest appearances. Nas numbers were not uncharacteristic for an East Coast act at that time.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Nah, I think Nas advance was $17,000. Illmatic sold 60,000 first week and was certified Gold a year and a couple months later.

Just a couple years after release Nas voice and lines from this album was being sampled and flipped by mad people and mad MC's from all over old school and new school claim the album influences them.

Nikkas have been arguing about this shyt on this site for years just repetitive AF.

It be the same nikkas too in every thread @StillNotSoft and @bigbadbossup2012

Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt are classics, two of the greatest and most influential albums recorded.

Label has to pay for certification and go through an auditing process...

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx one of your favorite albums has been stuck at Gold for over 20 years and SoundScan has the album at 1.1 million copies sold as of 2009. Linx will probably never go Platinum unfortunately.

Illmatic was heavily bootlegged. MC Serch claims he visited a garage with 60,000 bootlegged cassettes. Halftime single came out in '92 seems like nikkas couldn't wait. Also, Illmatic had no pop singles or famous guest appearances. Nas numbers were not uncharacteristic for an East Coast act at that time.

Lmao Biggie and meth smoked him. Nasir's album was supposed to make an uncharacteristic impact though

 

[ISO]

Lmao Biggie and meth smoked him. Nasir's album was supposed to make an uncharacteristic impact though

They were bigger stars at the time with commercial radio songs.

How about all the other acts of that time and they were plentiful who either went Gold or didn't get any plaques at all?

Why do you care so much about sales? Tical went Platinum and is believed to be arguably the worst of the first set of Wu-Tang solo releases.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

They were bigger stars at the time with commercial radio songs.

How about all the other acts of that time and they were plentiful who either went Gold or didn't get any plaques at all?

Why do you care so much about sales? Tical went Platinum and is believed to be arguably the worst of the first set of Wu-Tang solo releases.

this is the only thing they have to stand on plus they're hurt and burning up inside about 2pac being influenced by Illmatic

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

They were bigger stars at the time with commercial radio songs.

How about all the other acts of that time and they were plentiful who either went Gold or didn't get any plaques at all?

Why do you care so much about sales? Tical went Platinum and is believed to be arguably the worst of the first set of Wu-Tang solo releases.

Lmao if someone made a huge impact,it should be reflected beyond bias media.
Guess nas made a small impact as i've been saying

 

[ISO]

Lmao if someone made a huge impact,it should be reflected beyond bias media.
Guess nas made a small impact as i've been saying

Why was Nas sampled so much and lines flipped, why did so many artists claim to be influenced by the album, why has the cover been flipped by so many artists, why the beats become freestyle favorites...