Ghostface >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggie

[Consigliere]

Ok, you wanna talk about peers...I know more Kanye verses by heart than I do Beanie Sigel verses. Don't make him better. Like I said, you mentioning who's verses you remember more don't mean shyt in this debate and you sound stupid for even posting that shyt.

Also, you're just showing your bias by bringing up unproven ghostwriting bullshyt. I never heard a Perb verse as masterful as ANYTHING Ghost wrote after he seperated himself from Perb. You bringing Perb up shows you don't know shyt about Ghost material and should stay idle during this debate.

Yeah I hate Ghost that's why I went to his show and chopped it up with him & Trife backstage

People always try to discredit ghostwriters because they almost NEVER have solo success. Doesnt mean Superb didnt contribute to the Supreme Clientele and Ghost never outright denied it. And its pretty well known that those Wu cats were constantly writing each others verses.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Yeah I hate Ghost that's why I went to his show and chopped it up with him & Trife backstage

People always try to discredit ghostwriters because they almost NEVER have solo success. Doesnt mean Superb didnt contribute to the Supreme Clientele and Ghost never outright denied it. And its pretty well known that those Wu cats were constantly writing each others verses.

Perb was down with the Wu camp for probably like 2 years (if that) and Ghost gave Perb the boot from his camp AGES ago. Explain to me why he still drops stellar verses? Who's writing his verses now, breh?

 

[Sam Peel]

 

[hex]

Yeah I hate Ghost that's why I went to his show and chopped it up with him & Trife backstage

People always try to discredit ghostwriters because they almost NEVER have solo success. Doesnt mean Superb didnt contribute to the Supreme Clientele and Ghost never outright denied it. And its pretty well known that those Wu cats were constantly writing each others verses.

Ghost did deny it. He said Superb might've given him a couple lines, same as anyone in Wu-Tang. That's how they write songs. I mean, by that logic virtually any member of Wu could say they ghostwrote for each other.

As far as him giving him anything other than "a couple lines", Ghost denied it.

Fred.

 

[GeeEffKay]

there are only a few that stack up to ghost if we're talking about whole body of work, from strictly rapping to discog

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

If ghost is that nikka,he need to go into the studio and drop a classic PERIOD. nikkas keep giving false props. As if biggie didnt earn his legacy. Ghost is a nikka that dont got it together. Good lyrics and concepts with piss poor presentation =


Great lyrics + great flow/presentation etc =

 

[Consigliere]

Perb was down with the Wu camp for probably like 2 years (if that) and Ghost gave Perb the boot from his camp AGES ago. Explain to me why he still drops stellar verses? Who's writing his verses now, breh?

Ghost did deny it. He said Superb might've given him a couple lines, same as anyone in Wu-Tang. That's how they write songs. I mean, by that logic virtually any member of Wu could say they ghostwrote for each other.

As far as him giving him anything other than "a couple lines", Ghost denied it.

Fred.

Yeah. Im not really tryna derail this thread w/ the ghostwriting thing, even though its been out there and Ghost has no other album that sounds anything like SC or that his style evolved dramatically during the time when Perb was down.

I've got BIG over Ghost in everything but catalog.

 

[Billy Ocean]

Yeah. Im not really tryna derail this thread w/ the ghostwriting thing, even though its been out there and Ghost has no other album that sounds anything like SC or that his style evolved dramatically during the time when Perb was down.

I've got BIG over Ghost in everything but catalog.

Aight, well just say that. Bringing up ghostwriting rumors in this thread just makes you look silly, especially when the nikka you claim was writing his verses hasn't been around Ghost in over a decade.

 

[mobbinfms]

I understand that, but I don't think that the OP is trying to insinuate that Ghost is an iconic figure like Big and Pac. He's not. He never sold like they have, had the impact on the game (solo wise) as they had and never grabbed the mainstreams attention like they did. But Ghost isn't that type of artist and never will be. But in terms of MC'ing, he's in hip hops avant-garde. Top tier MC. He's up there with the best. Classic verses. Classic albums. Creativity out the ass. Member of raps greatest group. Major league storytelling ability. Ghost is as quality an MC as you can get. Listen, for most of my adult life I believed Biggie was the greatest MC ever and that there never would be an MC as good as he is, but Ghostface and Nas have created too many quality verses since Big's death to say that Big is better than either one. Too many. Biggie was a rap God on the mic for like 3 or 4 years, Ghostface has been one for damn near 20 years. nikkas gotta stop with the bullshyt and take a more cerebral look at it. Ghost is probably gonna drop at least two more albums full of quality verses just this year alone! Stop treating the God like he's some run of the mill MC who shouldn't be in the same sentence as the greats.

You're preaching to the choir! I've said all along this is a very close call. In the post of mine that you quoted i said they were both A list.

Personally I'm going with BIG - but I can see the argument for Ghost.

 

[mobbinfms]

hahahahaahahaha....naw that my bad, b. You lost me with that at first. Hell yeah thats where I got my screen name from (it was one of the first hiphop songs I ever heard, and my dad said i used to bob to the beat like crazy as a shorty), and you fckin A right I live by that motto out here in Cali, although I dont smoke like I used to as an undergrad a couple of years ago. I never really fcked with RBL heavy but I did mess with that bluebird track mucho. Good sht!

That's what's up.

 

[keon]

like i said..biggie's impact with just two albums shyts on ghosts whole career

ghost be talking a whole bunch of gibberish 95% of the time, honestly..them bars he spitting is easily forgettable

"Scientific, my hand kissed it
Robotic let's think optimistic
You probably missed it, watch me dolly dikk it
Scotty Wotty copper-tipped me, big microphone hippie
Hit Poughkeepsie crispy chicken verbs throw up a stone richie
"

GTFOH

 

[SubLyminalz]

i always felt rae was better than ghost but ghost was more consistent


like keon said the only time i see that nikka being compared to nas, big, jay, face, pac, cube, ect is on this site, not taking anything away from his legacy or anything but like sunzoo said i could only listen to him in spurts, i cant tolerate a entire album of ghost on 1 setting at all.

 

[hex]

like i said..biggie's impact with just two albums shyts on ghosts whole career

ghost be talking a whole bunch of gibberish 95% of the time, honestly..them bars he spitting is easily forgettable

"Scientific, my hand kissed it
Robotic let's think optimistic
You probably missed it, watch me dolly dikk it
Scotty Wotty copper-tipped me, big microphone hippie
Hit Poughkeepsie crispy chicken verbs throw up a stone richie
"

GTFOH

He did that shyt on 1 album, and that was the entire point of the album. And even then he didn't do it on every song. If you can't understand "Child's Play", "Malcolm" or "Cherchez La Ghost" off the same album something is wrong off your ears.

You're playing yourself saying Ghost doesn't make sense 95% of the time. He makes sense 95% of the time and people take literally a handful of songs from 13 years ago and stretch it across his entire career.

Fred.

 

[JayBaldacci]

If ghost is that nikka,he need to go into the studio and drop a classic PERIOD. nikkas keep giving false props. As if biggie didnt earn his legacy. Ghost is a nikka that dont got it together. Good lyrics and concepts with piss poor presentation = Ghostface Killah speaks to his MySpace fans - YouTube


Great lyrics + great flow/presentation etc =

Notorious B.I.G. acceptance speech - YouTube

Ghost has piss poor presentation? Lol

Ghost has already dropped classics, and again, his worst album isnt whack.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Ghost has piss poor presentation? Lol

Ghost has already dropped classics, and again, his worst album isnt whack.

I've never heard an ill performance by him,link me to one