Gretzky >>>>>> Jordan?? (Most dominant Ever)

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Only reason its a debate is cuz Gretzky moved to LA in his prime to a bum ass team...Had he stayed with the Oilers another 6 seasons with that juggernaut..theres no debate that Gretzky would have been the unanimous GOAT....


Nope.

We can EASILY Judge him off of the 6 Stanley Cups he did make it to and his Playoff performances.


Jordan never lost MVP, Gretzky lost it 4 times

Jordans scoring average / PER both INCREASED in the playoffs (even though they were already the best all time in the reg season), Gretzkys scoring average took a dive


If Gretzky was a GOD , there is NO WAY he'd lose MVP 2 times to his own teammates, in Stanley cup WINS



The fact yall fukkboys keep ignoring this shyt is HILARIOUS...


You keep saying Gretzky had no peer and was so FARRRR ahead of his peers, what the fukk happened in the Playoffs????:dahell::dahell:



Why does someone have 3 Playoff MVPs and he only has 2?? Why does JOrdan have 6 Playoff MVPs and the next highest has 3??:dahell::dahell:





Anyway anybody can answer this shyt without sounding like a total gretzky stan?:heh:
 

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All regular season.

So in your Eyes, Peyton Manning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Montana, because its all about Stats, right?


You are going to ignore the Fact that Wayne Gretzky compared to Michael Jordan in the Playoffs is LAUGHABLE? If he's such a good scorer / assist man, why didn't he win 6 Playoff MVPs? Why wasn't he even the best person on his own team in 2 of the Finals WINS?


You have no way to explain it... So you run to regular season stats that are hollow in comparison.



Fun Fact: Michael Jordan has the highest regular season PER in NBA history......


Highest in the regular season, in HISTORY.... Higher than ANYONE....



In the Playoffs, his PER is higher than it was in the regular season.....




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I never once said Gretzky was better than Jordan, my statement was more to the person who said most people don't even consider Gretzky the GOAT hockey player. Also the stats I provided are the argument people use to say he's the most dominant athlete of all time, I didn't say he was the most dominant, I said he's hands down the greatest hockey player, Jordan has nothing to do with that. There's no way to compare the two, it's personal bias to say either one was more dominant. And if championships are the final say Bill Russell is the GOAT basketball player. There's so many variables involved, no one can call it. Talent and legacy are separate. I was hoping people would understand the second part of my post was my take on the Gretzky/Jordan debate.
 
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The thing about the way the NBA is set up is that it's really hard to win a championship unless you really are the best.

So the fact that Jordan was so consistent (6/6 finals w/ 6 fmvps)... that means he was really the best. Like, really... REALLY the best.

But I'm ignorant to hockey. Jordan had Pippen. Did Gretzky ever play with another great player?


Oh, one more thing bro....


When Gretzky did get traded, his old team still won a Championship without him....


Furthest Scottie got without Jordan was to the 2nd round.... Then of course soon as Jordan came back, they won 3 more.



The more and more I dig, the more and more this comparison becomes lopsided... It's good to show the public the truth.:ahh:
 

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Nope.

We can EASILY Judge him off of the 6 Stanley Cups he did make it to and his Playoff performances.


Jordan never lost MVP, Gretzky lost it 4 times

Jordans scoring average / PER both INCREASED in the playoffs (even though they were already the best all time in the reg season), Gretzkys scoring average took a dive


If Gretzky was a GOD , there is NO WAY he'd lose MVP 2 times to his own teammates, in Stanley cup WINS



The fact yall fukkboys keep ignoring this shyt is HILARIOUS...


You keep saying Gretzky had no peer and was so FARRRR ahead of his peers, what the fukk happened in the Playoffs????:dahell::dahell:



Why does someone have 3 Playoff MVPs and he only has 2?? Why does JOrdan have 6 Playoff MVPs and the next highest has 3??:dahell::dahell:





Anyway anybody can answer this shyt without sounding like a total gretzky stan?:heh:

I hated Gretzky growing up, and I don't think I've watched a hockey game this millenium, facts are facts that's what I provided, I didn't take anything away from Jordan but you came in acting like an argument in favor of Gretzky had no feet to stand on. Once again, I think it's a pointless debate because there's no way to really compare stats and achievements between basketball and hockey, I just provided what people use as an argument in favor of Gretzky.
 

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Only reason its a debate is cuz Gretzky moved to LA in his prime to a bum ass team...Had he stayed with the Oilers another 6 seasons with that juggernaut..theres no debate that Gretzky would have been the unanimous GOAT....


Gretzky leaves team in prime? They Still win a Championship without him.

Jordan leaves team in prime? They make it to 2nd round.... He comes back, they win 3 more...


:mjlol::banderas::lawd::wtf::mindblown::huhldup::huhldup::whew::blessed::wow:





#FactsOnly:umad:



/thread (I have a feeling I'm going to /thread this a few more times the more I dig and the more yall type and educate me on "The Great One's" career lmao)
 

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:snoop: this thread starting to sound like a youtube comment section


I didn't mean to turn the thread left / childish... It's just I hate facts repeatedly being ignored.... SO throw a few smileys and some name calling in the mix, it tends to get peoples attention and force them to respond instead of ignoring to support their own premise.


I started with an intelligent discussion, but the thread now has one star and many darts being thrown at me, so I had to take the gloves off.
 
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Most dominant in their sport and no mention of Lance Armstrong? :troll: But seriously, this is an interesting debate, especially since both of them were playing at the same time, so it can be examined greater.
 

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Oh , for the record...



Jordan has the highest regular season scoring average in history, with 30.12



It went up to 33.45 in the playoffs:sadcam:






Call somebody the goat when they're productivity took a dive in the playoffs and the other guy you're comparing him to who was already the best in the regular season rose to an EVEN HIGHER LEVEL brehs:heh:


Jordan averaged 3 more points, on 2 more shots and 4 more minutes per game, all while shooting a lower percentage? Quite the argument you've got going
 

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Certainly he was more talented than Gretzky, Gretzky had the better IQ and vision for the game and didn't suffer through cancer like Lemieux did

:skip: I really don't know who the fukk he is. I just know his name is thrown around as a hockey goat
 
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