Has Tim Duncan surpassed Hakeem Olaujwoun?

[the kid]

dude this makes zero sense.

Going over every accolade that says a player is great is not necessary when I already admit Dream is great. I mean that does something to convince a person Dream is a all-time great player. Nobody in this thread is arguing Dream is not an all-time great player. So the point of putting that he is top 15 all time does little to add to the argument.

 

[TheNig]

Not a single Duncan supporter has mentioned one thing Duncan did better than Hakeem

beczu he did nothing better than Dream. Dream was more athletic, better defender, better scorer, better rebounder.

How am I doing that? I am showing u vids of when "Olojuwan dominated and didn't have teammates". U can see from the vids that the shyt y'all saying in this thread and what actually happened on the court is not matching up. There was no "feed Dream the rock and get out the way" or "Dream creating double teams for his teammates". None of that shyt. The nikka Dream was on the perimeter wandering around the whole 4th quarter while Kenny fukking Smith had the ball in his hands running PnRs with Otis Thorpe. I come with facts and evidence, u come with ..... crickets.

but when i show a video of Hakeem abusing DRob, it has nothing to do with the argument? you're chasing your tail right now.

 

[the kid]

Not a single Duncan supporter has mentioned one thing Duncan did better than Hakeem

Win

 

[TheNig]

Going over every accolade that says a player is great is not necessary when I already admit Dream is great. I mean that does something to convince a person Dream is a all-time great player. Nobody in this thread is arguing Dream is not an all-time great player. So the point of putting that he is top 15 all time does little to add to the argument.

uh... it says he was an elite scorer perhaps?

 

[TheNig]

Win

well... thats true. lmao!!!

 

[StatUS]

This shyt makes on sense

This makes no sense.

Having 4 rings >>> having 2 but they were back to back.

Having the target on your back as champion can't be underestimated. I atleast think that if you are gonna be considered a great champion you should be able to have the will to defend it and not go out early the next season. From the 80s onward Jordan (2x), Magic, Isiah, Shaq, Kobe (2x), Dream have all stepped up to that challenge. Why didn't Duncan? The only other I think in the same boat is Larry Bird. I'm not saying he isn't an all time great but he's below some one who did have the will to defend a championship with every team giving them their best each night. It's just the way I see that particular debate when people bring it up.

 

[the kid]

beczu he did nothing better than Dream. Dream was more athletic, better defender, better scorer, better rebounder.



but when i show a video of Hakeem abusing DRob, it has nothing to do with the argument? you're chasing your tail right now.

It has nothing to do with the argument because I admit that Dream was an amazing player, all-time great. I also admit that his 2-3 year peak was top shelf basketball. However, that 2-3 years does not represent accurately Dreams whole career. When I point out that he was not the same player from 1986-1993 that he was during the championship years, u have nothing to point to but something he did during the 2-3 years when I admit he was amazing. I show u when he was not the player that y'all claim in a vid from the years prior to the championship years.

 

[Da King]

When people compare dream and Duncan stats they act like he was averaging 10pts a game more and grabbing 7 rbs more


SMH

 

[Walt]

I think it's a reasonable discussion. I'm taking Dream at his peak.

 

[Texas2step]

It has nothing to do with the argument because I admit that Dream was an amazing player, all-time great. I also admit that his 2-3 year peak was top shelf basketball. However, that 2-3 years does not represent accurately Dreams whole career. When I point out that he was not the same player from 1986-1993 that he was during the championship years, u have nothing to point to but something he did during the 2-3 years when I admit he was amazing. I show u when he was not the player that y'all claim in a vid from the years prior to the championship years.

Ok but you pointed out his worst year ever beside past his prime in in 97 and you try to pass it around like it's fact. I could post ish before that year and claim the opposite



But again WHAT DID DUNCAN DO BETTER THAN THE DREAM?

 

[malbaker86]

When people compare dream and Duncan stats they act like he was averaging 10pts a game more and grabbing 7 rbs more


SMH

Exactly. They are almost identical in EVERYTHING across the board

 

[Houston911]

When people compare dream and Duncan stats they act like he was averaging 10pts a game more and grabbing 7 rbs more


SMH

im not even big on stats like that, but

Offensively: dream was clearly better
Defensively: the gap is even larger, hakeem was better
Statistically: Dream was better

Duncan won more, but he had better teammates and an infinitely better coach

If hakeem got to play in a zone defense, his defensive impact would have been even greater

Bow down to the goat modern center

 

[Dirty D]

I'd side with Dream but Duncan had the best Finals game either of them ever had when he closed out New Jerz with an almost-quad double.

Young Dream may not have fully developed his skill set but was an athletic beast. I've seen old games where he couldn't be controlled on the boards, plays where he's ripping guards in the backcourt (including Magic Johnson), and yeah the Rockets put much worse teams around him than Duncan with the Spurs, which is why he wanted out for a while before winning those ships.

It's a close vote, Duncan has had more stability in his career and even personally within his game and temperament. Akeem was a hothead and malcontent but you could say he had good reasons. Both have had great careers and I hope Tim gets #5 this year.

 

[malbaker86]

im not even big on stats like that, but

Offensively: dream was clearly better
Defensively: the gap is even larger, hakeem was better
Statistically: Dream was better

Duncan won more, but he had better teammates and an infinitely better coach

If hakeem got to play in a zone defense, his defensive impact would have been even greater

Bow down to the goat modern center

Akeem was clearly better on offense? CLEARLY? As in it's not even a good comparison? Same when it comes to defense?

 

[Houston911]

I'd side with Dream but Duncan had the best Finals game either of them ever had when he closed out New Jerz with an almost-quad double.

Young Dream may not have fully developed his skill set but was an athletic beast. I've seen old games where he couldn't be controlled on the boards, plays where he's ripping guards in the backcourt (including Magic Johnson), and yeah the Rockets put much worse teams around him than Duncan with the Spurs, which is why he wanted out for a while before winning those ships.

It's a close vote, Duncan has had more stability in his career and even personally within his game and temperament. Akeem was a hothead and malcontent but you could say he had good reasons. Both have had great careers and I hope Tim gets #5 this year.

are we seriously gonna compare finals stats of a guy who went against JASON fukkING COLLINS in the finals to a guy who went up against Shaq and Pat Ewing in the finals?

SERIOUSLY?

Akeem was clearly better on offense? CLEARLY? As in it's not even a good comparison? Same when it comes to defense?

yes he was CLEARLY better on both ends.

That doesn't mean he shyts on him, that just means that if you ask 10 people who watched both of em, 8 or 9 would say the same thing.

Do you feel that duncan was the better offensive player?
Do you feel that duncan was the better defensive player?
Have you factored in Duncan playing for the goat coach, or the extra impact duncan had on defense due to rule changes?

Why would you spit on your black brother?