Horus/Jesus and Christianity

[Everythingg]

Who is correct, and why should we have faith in their faith or interpretation? Jews don't worship or believe Yeshua (a Hebrew) is the son of God, they don't believe in the trinity. Yet I'd bet most Christians reference the OT/Hebrew scripture when it speaks of lineage, "history", the commandments, or when they connect the dots with signs and prophecy. Basically, whenever it helps their argument, they're very clear with their data and research, and show common sense.

Yes theres evidence of the bolded in this thread lol. But all you have to do is look at Jesus' words to determine who he was. If he said things such as he doesnt know certain things, someone is greater than him, he was given authority and power, and more we should come to the conclusion that this being isnt God. God doesnt say these things IMO. Now we can go and pull up abstract verses and claim that stands over other verses where he clearly denies being God by his own words.

But its like anything outside of their book is deemed evil or unreliable so its tough to feel like they're being honest in their intent or thinking process. But even amongst certain believers, they don't even agree on the interpretations, amount of scripture we should have faith in, or even the image of god(s), so you see how easy it is for people to become confused.

I agree with this sentiment which is why its important for one to study on their own (if you're really trying to get to the bottom of it). But I agree. With many different interpretations and possible interpretations, its easy to get confused on some things.

 

[Everythingg]

But I already know what argument you're gonna try and use. When you do, I'll prove you wrong, as usual.

Alright. I'll wait for you to show how it so using the context of Isaiah 7....

@Czar

 

[Czar]

@Czar

Lol the burden of proof is on you. You made the claim, you were called out to prove your point.

And I clearly told you that once you do, I would refute it.

Then again, reading comprehension seems to elude you.

 

[Everythingg]

Lol the burden of proof is on you. You made the claim, you were called out to prove your point.

Nah. Im good on that. You said to provide my argument and you would destroy it. But you know you cant refute that the context does not support it being about Jesus so you want me to do even MORE work then you originally wanted. I'll pass. Maybe if someone else asks I'll do it. If not

Then again, reading comprehension seems to elude you.

This reading comprehension?

But I already know what argument you're gonna try and use.

Alright. I'll wait for you to show how it so using the context of Isaiah 7....

When you do, I'll prove you wrong, as usual.

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So I give you my argument that you say you'd prove wrong AS USUAL, and you have nothing to provide. Thats fine

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Who is correct, and why should we have faith in their faith or interpretation? Jews don't worship or believe Yeshua (a Hebrew) is the son of God, they don't believe in the trinity. Yet I'd bet most Christians reference the OT/Hebrew scripture when it speaks of lineage, "history", the commandments, or when they connect the dots with signs and prophecy. Basically, whenever it helps their argument, they're very clear with their data and research, and show common sense.

The same can be said of critics who reference those same Scriptures but only when it is perceived to help their argument. This happens when people on either side don't understand what they're reading.
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But its like anything outside of their book is deemed evil or unreliable so its tough to feel like they're being honest in their intent or thinking process. But even amongst certain believers, they don't even agree on the interpretations, amount of scripture we should have faith in, or even the image of god(s), so you see how easy it is for people to become confused.

It's easy to tell what to read: Everything. 'Canon' and 'Scripture' are not equivalent terms, so stating 'anything outside of their book' is an invalid criticism considering the massive amount of extra-Biblical texts that are often referenced from early Christians, the Inter-Testamental period (Apochryphal) texts, concordances, etc. The main issue, as I stated before, is not being cognizant of what one is reading. An autobiography is read differently than a play.​

 

[MaLi]

Yes. Same one. It wasn't until the 2nd Century that Jewish rabbis declared Christianity heretical, 80+ years after Jesus was dead......

Most Christians are not 'Trinitarians', but 'godhead' doctrine has roots almost 1000 years prior to Nicea due to the text of the OT......



If you don't read the above verse critically, you'll miss what's going on.

This one is easier to see....



Those Christians who worship Jesus are actually worshiping YHWH just like Abraham.​

Most of us know that Moses received the 10 commandments from God on Mt. Sinai. This occurred during Exodus in the OT. Biblical scholars say the time period of Exodus can vary from 1450 bc,1313 bc, 1250 bc, and even as late as 2000 bc(quick google search may confirm more).
Ancient Kemet/Egypt society living under the laws of Maat since at least 2500 bc. The 42 negative confessions on the Papyrus of Ani spells out guidelines for individuals to live by. 10 of those negative confessions are rewritten into the 10 commandments that Moses supposedly received from Yahweh on Mt. Sinai.

Yahweh told Abram to circumcise the males as a sign of their covenant correct? But this tradition had been going on in Africa since before time of Abram (2900 bc or 2000 bc according to scholars).


If ones foundation is the OT, shouldn't they question the OTs foundation?

@King-Over-Kingz

 

[MaLi]

Lol bitter?

And I'm actually doing what scripture says (2 Timothy 3:16) by pointing out your logical fallacy and correcting your mistakes.



You do know Yeshua is also a transliteration since it employs Modern English letters?

Moreover, if the New Testament writers (chief among them Paul) woulda had issues with the transliteration Ἰησοῦς (Iesous) or felt salvation could not be attained through it, they wouldn't have used it. The main reason they employed it was due to the impossibility of rendering or pronouncing ישוע (Yeshua) in Koine Greek the way it appeared in Hebrew. Since the NT was written in K.G.

Different languages (No Yud or Y. No Shin of Shh sound in K.G), different grammatical rules (Masculine names end in o, os, us in K.G) etc.

As for false images, blame Roman Catholicism for that. They are a distortion of true Christianity.

So now, in 2014, we all know his true name, and true pronunciation, shouldn't we use it? Ok, maybe we can't all spell it out in English and keep its roots, but it can be said easily.
If your boss's name is Gerald, and you been calling him Jorelle for the last 5 years, wouldn't you want to start calling him by his real name once you found out? Shouldn't your lord and savior be praised in his churches, at home, on tv, by his real name, with the most realistic likeness? Leave the transliteration shyt alone for a second and just try to see where I and others may be coming from.

Roman Catholics are to blame for the images and are a distortion of true Christianity, but wasn't it the Romans who headed the Council of Nicea? This is why I asked which scripture you think I should trust, or basically, which scriptures do you use. It was not a trick question, but its easier to understand ones beliefs when you know where they're coming from, as opposed to making assumptions

 

[Everythingg]

Most of us know that Moses received the 10 commandments from God on Mt. Sinai. This occurred during Exodus in the OT. Biblical scholars say the time period of Exodus can vary from 1450 bc,1313 bc, 1250 bc, and even as late as 2000 bc(quick google search may confirm more).
Ancient Kemet/Egypt society living under the laws of Maat since at least 2500 bc. The 42 negative confessions on the Papyrus of Ani spells out guidelines for individuals to live by. 10 of those negative confessions are rewritten into the 10 commandments that Moses supposedly received from Yahweh on Mt. Sinai.

Well from what I've come to understand, only 8 of the 10 commandments (I think. It might be less)are mentioned in these confessions. But the sabbath and the first commandment (love God Almighty with all your heart mind and soul) were not included. Do you think that theres a reason that these SPECIFIC commandments are not mentioned in these 42 confessions? For me, it points to the Hebrews and their God giving them specific commandments that were not given to other nations. The other 8 commandments are general things that you'd find in most cultures. I think that there would be more of a point if these specific commandments (Sabbath and loving God with all your heart, mind and soul) were found in other cultures before the Hebrews.

Yahweh told Abram to circumcise the males as a sign of their covenant correct? But this tradition had been going on in Africa since before time of Abram (2900 bc or 2000 bc according to scholars).


If ones foundation is the OT, shouldn't they question the OTs foundation?

@King-Over-Kingz

Interesting as I had not considered the fact that circumcision was practiced before Abraham. But in my opinion it doesnt change much as the sons of Abraham were to be circumcised at birth and so was everyone tied to them (such as servants/slaves). As well, it was a sign of the covenant between God and Abraham and not so much that it was the FIRST institution of the act of circumcision.

I do think you should question everything though. But without a basis to go by, what DO WE go by? It would be all of us following our own hearts and opinions which is probably why we are headed to destruction as a planet it seems. I see the old testament as this basis because of the God of Israel proving Himself over the egyptians and the gods they worshiped and the reestablishment of Israel in 1948. Among other things of course.

 

[MaLi]

Well from what I've come to understand, only 8 of the 10 commandments (I think. It might be less)are mentioned in these confessions. But the sabbath and the first commandment (love God Almighty with all your heart mind and soul) were not included. Do you think that theres a reason that these SPECIFIC commandments are not mentioned in these 42 confessions? For me, it points to the Hebrews and their God giving them specific commandments that were not given to other nations. The other 8 commandments are general things that you'd find in most cultures. I think that there would be more of a point if these specific commandments (Sabbath and loving God with all your heart, mind and soul) were found in other cultures before the Hebrews.

From what I've gathered, Moses was raised in the Egyptian royal family and received special education from the mystery system.
Moses was different from the other natural Egyptians because he was a Hebrew being raised as Egyptian royalty. Moses committed a sin within the laws of Maat and had to flee. He took the secret and powerful knowledge acquired from the mystery schools and spun it to uplift his own people (Gods chosen people).
The best lies are ones that are mixed with truth. So if you love God with your heart, mind, and soul, then theres really no need to question his commandments. And If you dont love God, you will be punished.
Again, Moses was privy to knowledge that most in the world did not have. Ancient Kemet/Egypt was running shyt during those times.
Its one of the main reasons why I about Black/African scholars doing more research on our own religion and history instead of outsiders and uncle toms. We get our information from people who work for institutions and corporations that dont give a damn about the world, let alone some distinct groups in it.





Interesting as I had not considered the fact that circumcision was practiced before Abraham. But in my opinion it doesnt change much as the sons of Abraham were to be circumcised at birth and so was everyone tied to them (such as servants/slaves). As well, it was a sign of the covenant between God and Abraham and not so much that it was the FIRST institution of the act of circumcision.

I do think you should question everything though. But without a basis to go by, what DO WE go by? It would be all of us following our own hearts and opinions which is probably why we are headed to destruction as a planet it seems. I see the old testament as this basis because of the God of Israel proving Himself over the egyptians and the gods they worshiped and the reestablishment of Israel in 1948. Among other things of course.

Why not look into what our closest ancestors believed, as opposed to the watered down, more-european-than-asian aka modern Jewish beliefs?

Question, do you know of Akenaten?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

That 16 crucified Savior book is trash but Christianity is definitely a concoction that borrowed things from a variety of already existing belief systems.

 

[Everythingg]

From what I've gathered, Moses was raised in the Egyptian royal family and received special education from the mystery system.
Moses was different from the other natural Egyptians because he was a Hebrew being raised as Egyptian royalty. Moses committed a sin within the laws of Maat and had to flee. He took the secret and powerful knowledge acquired from the mystery schools and spun it to uplift his own people (Gods chosen people).
The best lies are ones that are mixed with truth. So if you love God with your heart, mind, and soul, then theres really no need to question his commandments. And If you dont love God, you will be punished.

Again, Moses was privy to knowledge that most in the world did not have. Ancient Kemet/Egypt was running shyt during those times.

To answer your question that kinda ties into this, yes Im aware of Akenaten. But I dont see his story and the story of Moses matching up much if thats what you're getting at. If you're getting at Moses being a follower of him, and then spinning what he learned into his own "religion", I still dont think that story holds much water. It is written that God Almighty appeared in front of Moses AND the rest of the Hebrews. So how would it be Moses creating his own religion to uplift his people if they (allegedly) witnessed this? I think we would have to disregard that to say this was of Moses' doing. And if we're doing that, then theres really no point of mentioning Moses in the first place because the whole thing would be baseless.

And sure you can interpret the bolded as that, but my point was that it was a SPECIFIC commandment given to Israel. You can INTERPRET that into any religion, but not many (if at all) have that commandment as one of theirs for their god.

Its one of the main reasons why I about Black/African scholars doing more research on our own religion and history instead of outsiders and uncle toms. We get our information from people who work for institutions and corporations that dont give a damn about the world, let alone some distinct groups in it.

I dont think the bible is information from "institutions and corporations." Do you? And have you researched our religions? Because from what I've come across, its filled with spirit/ancestor worship, and black magic/voodoo. Have you come across something that you TRULY believe is worth our time? Because I dont see the point of worshiping spirits or ancestors over worshiping God (if thats what you're searching for).

If you're searching for a way of life then I assume it wouldnt really matter which one you picked. Though I have my perception on it, you could choose as you wish

Why not look into what our closest ancestors believed, as opposed to the watered down, more-european-than-asian aka modern Jewish beliefs?

I think the better question would be, are we looking for God( the Creator of everything that exists)? Or are we simply looking for a way of life that fits our own often biased view of life? For me, I am looking for God so I can get the understanding of what I am supposed to be doing here. If it was possible for it to be proven that God does not exist, then I would search for a "way of life" that fits my view of life. I really think thats what a lot of religions are about honestly without the Creator being involved.

To be honest, I just dont see much in African religions. Maybe you have seen more that you can teach me a thing or two about it. Because at the moment, going off what I've seen, I dont see the point of worshiping spirits or my ancestors.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

 

[lightbearerchef]

Fellas.. Need some real insight on something's. Lately I've had my ideas and outlook on life challenged by some pretty well learned brothers who've been breaking down myths associated with man made religion...


Yesterday they basically explained where the "Jesus" story was derived from. I mean these brothers went in on how the letter J is only a certain amount of years old.. And the Egyptian God Horus is what the Jesus story is based off of..



shyt got me looking at the world a little different today. Can any of you spiritual brehs come shed some light on this

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[IVS]

I still wonder what that Hawk head means? Or the significance of Sobek's crocodile head. Hell!, with the "Hind-us" Im trying to figure out why Ganesha has an elephants head, or Varaha has a boars head, or ....etc.

 

[observe]

Ya because Hebrews were in Egypt, so they took those stories..but Moses didnt exist and they weren't slaves there is no historical evidence of that on paper or hieroglyphics or statutes ....they came into Egypt cuz their land was flooded with famine..so Egypt took them in..around 16th century bc the Hyskos(Shepherd Kings) invaded and the Hebrew turned against Egyptians and sided with their enemies ..the Hyskos put the Hebrews in high positions like clerical work under the kings..Egypt regained it's power after around 108 years of Hyskos rule and pushed them out..they gave the Hebrews an option..to stay and abide by Egyptian law or leave..those that left took with them the egyptian myths ..like some one said ..they broke down the 42 negative confessions into the 10 commandments..what they also took from Egyptian literature was the parting of the Red Sea tale..it goes something like this..one day the pharaoh was on his boat sailing in the Nile. He was being rowed along by his slave girls..one of his slave girls dropped her ring into the Nile..the Pharoah called his magician to do something about it..the magician used his magic to part the waters of the Nile and retrieve the ring..he gave it back to the slave girl..

That's where the parting of the Red Sea comes from

I'm sure there are more stories in Egyptian literature that are used in the bible, or Torah or Quran, ..it's just the Library of Alexandria was burned to the ground so all that info is lost..and they say some of it was moved to the Imperial Library of Constantinople, but they burned that one up as well..

There was another story relating a myth but I forgot ..it's on a 8 hour special and I'm not gonna rewatch it to find that part..