Horus/Jesus and Christianity
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There are many reasons to question Jesus and the NT (for one, Jesus being born of a "virgin" and the NT pretending that the prophecy in Isaiah was about him), but zeitgeist claims are not one of them. They have a point when it comes to the J thing though...
Theres a few threads on here talking about similar thoughts. I made one, posted a decent video of a young researcher breaking things down to where you can quickly fact check yourself. He speaks on the earliest religions and makes the connections (Heru/Horus/Yeshua).
Anyway, heres one of the videos:
The times and notes are in the other thread, but the video itself is a good place to start for the open-minded.
And yes, "J" did not exist at the time of Yeshua. Many christians believe there is real power in his name, yet we all call him by something false... We all see someone false
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I was wondering when someone would bring up the same, lame semantic argument for the transliteration of Yeshua's name.
If you don't know what transliteration is, and assume it means they covered up/changed his name, let's end this conversation right now before you embarrass yourself.
Actually, the prophecy in Isaiah IS about him. But I already know what argument you're gonna try and use. When you do, I'll prove you wrong, as usual.
What argument in my post are you referring to good sir
?What cover-up and who is "they" you speak of?
But ok I'll play for a little bit. "Yeshua", translates to "Jesus" right? ok GREAT!
We in the year 2014 know his TRUE name, and know he was of a "mixed" ethnicity, why do we CONTINUE to use that name and image as by default?
Why do we need to be retaught the most basic of information regarding our supposed lord and savior? Why do some work so hard to take the blackness out of og Yeshua, and try to pass him off as strictly "arab" and not "black", "African", or mixed?
Let me ask you this:
Would it be ok with you, and other Christians if everyone started referring to "God", "Yaweh", "Jehova", "Jesus" etc... as "Allah" instead?
The letter J argument is an etymological fallacy which attempts to discredit the use of modern words or phrases.
For example, "There was no such thing as Judah, cause the letter J wasn't introduced until the 15th century".
^This fallacy completely omits the fact that Judah is the Modern English transliteration or equivalent of the Hebrew Yehudah. Even the word Yehudah itself is a transliteration, since it employs Modern English letters.
People who use etymological fallacies typically don't know what they're talking about. And will attempt to erect strawman arguments to deflect the tension when they get exposed.
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What argument in my post are you referring to good sir
What cover-up and who is "they" you speak of?
Lol see what I mean? @Cbanks36
But ok I'll play for a little bit. "Yeshua", translates to "Jesus" right? ok GREAT!
We in the year 2014 know his TRUE name, and know he was of a "mixed" ethnicity, why do we CONTINUE to use that name and image as by default?
Why do we need to be retaught the most basic of information regarding our supposed lord and savior? Why do some work so hard to take the blackness out of og Yeshua, and try to pass him off as strictly "arab" and not "black", "African", or mixed?
Let me ask you this:
Would it be ok with you, and other Christians if everyone started referring to "God", "Yaweh", "Jehova", "Jesus" etc... as "Allah" instead?
First of all, I see you erected strawmen arguments to deflect the tension off your use of etymological fallacy.
But let's deal with the meat and bones of this argument, which you're trying to avoid. The name Yeshua is a transliteration using Modern English letters to form an approximation of the pronunciation. If you wanna get Technical, his name is actually ישוע.
Moreover, it should be noted that the writers of the New Testament used Greek. And the names Yeshua and Yehoshua were transliterated as Iesous. Just as they were transliterated as Iesous in the Septuagint, which was created by the Hebrews.
In order for your weak argument to have legs, there would have to be a prohibition somewhere in scripture about using any other language other than Hebrew. Unfortunately, there is none. Otherwise there wouldn't have been a Septuagint or New Testament in Greek.
FYI, Allah is a specific deity, just as YHWH is a specific deity. Terrible example.
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Can you just answer the questions without coming off so damn bitter? You sound like a child that simply wants to be right, as opposed to actually sharing knowledge. Aren't you christians supposed to be above all that? I'm not trying to deflect
Meat and bones lets go-
Ok now that we know his name is actually Yeshua, and he was mixed, why do we continue to call him by something else, and have false images be the general representation of the man? No strawman, just a continuation of that topic. See, how difficult was that?
You said that the names of deities is a terrible example right? Ok, I can understand your reasons for believing so. But then you're acting like the "Judah" and "Jesus" comparison is all good? Do I need to explain my train of thought further, or do you know where I'm going with this?
And finally, it seems you have complete faith in the scripture. Thats AWESOME, cause it means you've spent more time studying than most! Can you specify which one(s)?
I ask because although I've had plenty conversations with various types of "christians" (and to a lesser extent muslims, and jews), they all say the same thing and it goes along the lines of them having or knowing the correct scripture, and how to interpret it. Yet when I have conversations asking specific questions, there are different answers from the same book (strictly regarding christians). Can you tell me which scriptures I should trust the most, and why I should trust them?
And Allah means "God", or am I wrong?
So I ask again, would it be an issue with Christians, Jews, and everyone else referring to "God" as "Allah". Simple yes or no would be great. No deflections would be greater. Allah is good (all the time!)
So I ask again, would it be an issue with Christians, Jews, and everyone else referring to "God" as "Allah". Simple yes or no would be great. No deflections would be greater. Allah is good (all the time!)