How did Ciara just drastically fall off?

[JustCKing]

this implies they were peers or neck and neck...rihanna had waaaay more clout than ciara, not just the people choosing her, she had earned her spot. rih had been dominating charts from 06-12 at that time, hit records from every album which she was dropping every year.

rih's role in current music is pretty much only second to beyonce, and arguably first when you consider better chart performance, records "sold", and her outside ventures and influence.

I never thought of Ciara or Rihanna as peers. Ciara was R&B and Rihanna was straight Pop. Keri Hilson was more of a peer to Ciara.

What's crazy is Rihanna wasn't really a factor until after "Umbrella". She was one of the last artists that the label took time to develop. At first, she was a pretty face with hit songs. With Good Girl Gone Bad, she had an edge and her entire image changed completely. People became invested in her and it was more than hit songs at that point.

 

[The Coochie Assassin]

I have no proof, just like you have no proof the kids are hers.

However, I'm not sure if you were following her career back then or not but the tranny rumors were HEAVY, it wasn't some hardly talked about secret. The rumors were everywhere. Then years later it came out that Jazze Pha was fukkin with a Tranny in ATL, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility that he put her on because he's into trannies, and she's trans. Lastly, just look at her closely, she has masculine features and she's a big girl. You can think whatever you want, but don't try to play it off like the whole tranny thing with Ciara is 100% baseless.

I grew up in Atlanta and was a teenager when she came out with goodies so I heard all the fake rumors.

The first rumor was she was a hermaphrodite and went on Oprah to talk about it when she was a kid

Every ATL rapper and singer had dumb ass rumors about them. But I’ll let you hold on to childhood stupidity, you ain’t changing your mind at this point.

 

[JustCKing]

I don't know why people are saying R&B fell off as a reason Ciara fell off. Keyshia Cole, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Trey Songz, etc. were still thriving. Legends like Mary J. Blige were still dropping albums that sold. Alicia Keys was moving units.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

u know what's crazy though. All this talk about flopping and stuff. She's probably making more money in endorsements and stuff than she ever did. Ciara is everywhere right now. Award shows, Good morning america, etc. Before that, she was just a southern girl from the A

what endorsements does she have? and being on talk shows aint bringing in money, it's publicity, but she aint getting no checks. i have no beef with ciara, but let's be real, she's lucky russell wilson wifed and seems to think the world of her. she's SM fodder, but she's not cashing big checks

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I don't know why people are saying R&B fell off as a reason Ciara fell off. Keyshia Cole, Chris Brown, Ne-Yo, Trey Songz, etc. were still thriving. Legends like Mary J. Blige were still dropping albums that sold. Alicia Keys was moving units.

ciara was part of the last class of r&b stars before it fell off, the class of people who came out from 03-07...that class (and singers from prior days) produced people who had healthy careers, then, other than a handful who had staying power, most faded faster than stars usually fade and we had a dearth of r&b from abt 2010 until the past ~3 years, and even with it being "back" it's not back in the sense that people are racking up sales and top 40 singles the way people were in the 90's and 00's

 

[greenvale]

Rihanna also bodied her a few times on social media

Petty Rihanna

 

[Playaz Eyez]

Cause she really wasn't that good of a singer. Then once you take all the bells and whistles away from her (crunk beats, Jermaine Dupri Jazze Pha, dancing), she 100% is exposed as a marginal singer

 

[Street Knowledge]

Everyone isn’t meant to have crazy longevity

 

[Playaz Eyez]

What's crazy is people tried to say her career mirrored Aaliyah's. Huge difference. Aaliyah's biggest album wasn't her first one. Her biggest hits came after her sophomore album. Ciara was on the decline after album one. When she started the third album cycle, it was push back after push back, and it flopped even with T-Pain and Justin Timberlake featured on the singles.

I hope they were just talking about actual singing ability and not career in general. I've been saying since like 2008 that Ciara is just Aaliyah with better choreography/dance routines. Both are below average singers, Aaliyah just had the luxury of Timbaland and his whole crew. My mom was an Aaliyah stan back in the day so damn near every one of her songs are burned into my memory

 

[JustCKing]

I hope they were just talking about actual singing ability and not career in general. I've been saying since like 2008 that Ciara is just Aaliyah with better choreography/dance routines. Both are below average singers, Aaliyah just had the luxury of Timbaland and his whole crew. My mom was an Aaliyah stan back in the day so damn near every one of her songs are burned into my memory

Nah. Aaliyah was successful before she got with Timbaland and had songs during that era that were hits without Tim/Missy.

Ciara didn't sustain the success even after working with big name producers, writers, and features.

 

[JustCKing]

Cause she really wasn't that good of a singer. Then once you take all the bells and whistles are taken away from her (crunk beats, Jermaine Dupri Jazze Pha, dancing), she 100% is exposed as a marginal singer

Singing ability never stopped anybody in the history of music.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Nah. Aaliyah was successful before she got with Timbaland and had songs during that era that were hits without Tim/Missy.

Ciara didn't sustain the success even after working with big name producers, writers, and features.

Successful with one of the greatest songwriters of the last 30 years writing and producing everything on her debut album

 

[JustCKing]

Successful with one of the greatest songwriters of the last 30 years writing and producing everything on her debut album

Changing Faces and Sparkle also had R. Kelly. Neither of them had the same success. I think Aaliyah and Changing Faces were on the same label at one point.

Aaliyah may be the only new artist to have the type of success she had with R. Kelly.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Changing Faces and Sparkle also had R. Kelly. Neither of them had the same success. I think Aaliyah and Changing Faces were on the same label at one point.

Aaliyah may be the only new artist to have the type of success she had with R. Kelly.

Aaliyah an average at best singer who never wrote or produced anything and was a product of GOAT level songwriting and production.

There is nothing clearly separating her from Ciara from a musical ability perspective.

 

[JustCKing]

Aaliyah an average at best singer who never wrote or produced anything and was a product of GOAT level songwriting and production.

There is nothing clearly separating her from Ciara from a musical ability perspective.

There was definitely something separating her. Singing ability is neither here or there. Singing alone never made or broke anyone. Great Songwriting and production is required for even the best singers.

What separated Aaliyah from Ciara is:

1) Charisma

2) Forward progression. Aaliyah turned down opportunities to work with titans like Puff on her sophomore in favor of lesser knowns (Missy and Timbaland).

Ciara lacked that cool charisma and mystique and most of her big records relied on trends and tried and true hitmakers and features.