How did the Pac/Jay Z beef get started?

[kingofnyc]

"Rappers want to be actors
So they play the Jesse James Character" (outlaw) - Wyclef

Obvious shyt.

The question you SHOULD be asking is why would THEY diss Pac...you think it might have something to do with Clef being friends with Henchman and being related to Jack?

fukk all that "I loved Pac" noise all these nikkas try to kick after the fact. I hate Flex but at least he kept it consistent.

Look how scared Clef looks while he searches for the right words to say his answer. After he even acknowledges the diss existed, as if he didn't know. This is supposed to be someone telling the real?

Half the reason people loved Hit Em Up is cuz he called out names, these other artists sneak diss and hide their hands while Tupac came directly at his targets.

And you agree that Wyclef was also talking greasy too right? No harm if it was a misunderstanding.

And you agree that Wyclef was also talking greasy too right? No harm if it was a misunderstanding.

this is exactly what I don't understand about you pac fans
all you do is make excuses after excuses after excuses

if clef was told to diss pac he would have said 2pac name
and if he wasnt told but wanted to diss him regardless, clef would have said 2pac name in his diss
-esp when he very tight with hench & jac being a 3rd cousin of somewhat

 

[ChaddyLack]

Pac always gets more respect cause he didnt sugarcoat..throw bricks and hide his hand like Biggie sneakdissin ass.

Exactly. This cat gets it, that's expected though Tre-4 always been known to go hard.

 

[SunZoo]

this is exactly what I don't understand about you pac fans
all you do is make excuses after excuses after excuses

if clef was told to diss pac he would have said 2pac name
and if he wasnt told but wanted to diss him regardless, clef would have said 2pac name in his diss
-esp when he very tight with hench & jac being a 3rd cousin of somewhat

Again, why would have to be told to diss somebody that came at his fam?

As for naming names, pretend like you don't know east coast nikkas have an affinity for subliminal slick talk...Mobb Deep, Biggie, Jay..all these nikkas dissed Pac with not one name mentioned. Nas dissed biggie on the sly. Biggie did the same to him. Jay and Nas threw subs at each other for years before it got to a point where names were called....stop playing stupid.

nikkas get mad at Pac for cutting to straight the point...I love Jay but the nerve of this nikka to talk about how much he don't respect subliminals

 

[DStyles]

Ballerina two packs was an emotional punk ass bytch.

Mo fukka probably would have dissed his momma to

 

[kingofnyc]

Again, why would have to be told to diss somebody that came at his fam?

As for naming names, pretend like you don't know east coast nikkas have an affinity for subliminal slick talk...Mobb Deep, Biggie, Jay..all these nikkas dissed Pac with not one name mentioned. Nas dissed biggie on the sly. Biggie did the same to him. Jay and Nas threw subs at each other for years before it got to a point where names were called....stop playing stupid.

nikkas get mad at Pac for cutting to straight the point...I love Jay but the nerve of this nikka to talk about how much he don't respect subliminals

breh

da hell u talking bout - if clef felt dat way then he should have said pac name like pac said hench & jac

but as far as that other shyt everybody got subliminals disses back then.... that's the art of mc'ing

pac feminine emotional azz was the only person that took subliminal shots as personal disses

 

[SunZoo]

breh

da hell u talking bout - if clef felt dat way then he should have said pac name like pac said hench & jac

Yeah he should have but he didn't...just like everybody else I named, your boy included...Why is that? Artistic reasons? I guess No Vaseline wasn't artistic enough.

pac feminine emotional azz was the only person that took subliminal shots as personal disses

"who you thought kick in the door was for..."

 

[Afromaticz]

breh

da hell u talking bout - if clef felt dat way then he should have said pac name like pac said hench & jac

but as far as that other shyt everybody got subliminals disses back then.... that's the art of mc'ing

pac feminine emotional azz was the only person that took subliminal shots as personal disses

Breh you're not makin any sense...first its Pac was attackin nikkas for no reason he was being emotional bla bla bla and when nikkas pointed out the subs that some of these rappers took at dude you nikkas switch and act like its all part of mcing and shyt.
get all the way the fukk outta here bruh shyt is ridicilous with some of you stans

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You west dudes think everyone took ur style

lol. nah.

im east coast.

Let's be reality...this is what a 2pac diss from Jay Z in 96 sounds like...

Pac woulda ate this wack shyt...we ain't talking about Dominant era Jay Z that was comfortable enough in his position to go at Nas willy nilly...he had a weak voice, weak beats, no rep outside of NY...he would have got shytted on in 96, PERIOD.

the only reason jay went at nas is because he thought nas was washed up like prodigy.

But spending a whole year lashing out at everybody except the nikkas who you know for a fact set you up...

to all yall delusional azz nikkaz acting like pac ONLY diss people who deserved it





dem nikkaz who he diss - didnt fell that , pretty much all dem nikkaz felt it was strictly affiliation purposes

horrible example.

the fugees dissed pac first.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

nikkas taking what nass say seriously

 

[kingofnyc]

Yeah he should have but he didn't...just like everybody else I named, your boy included...Why is that? Artistic reasons? I guess No Vaseline wasn't artistic enough.

clef shyt is different from the others -so it no reason to lump together
clef claim it wasnt a pac diss, while other nikkaz dat do it alwayz say shyt like 'they can take it how ever they want it'

no vaseline is a complete diss track
a sub is a clever line/bar/verse

u should know ur hip hop -breh

"who you thought kick in the door was for..."

end of the 1st verse
who u thought the message was for...

 

[kingofnyc]

Breh you're not makin any sense...first its Pac was attackin nikkas for no reason he was being emotional bla bla bla and when nikkas pointed out the subs that some of these rappers took at dude you nikkas switch and act like its all part of mcing and shyt.
get all the way the fukk outta here bruh shyt is ridicilous with some of you stans

i make perfect sense

u sound ridiculous...
do u even realize the amount of subliminal that went on back inna dayz

YET only 1 nikka...
didnt do WHAT damn near every rapper did
-drop a sub back at them

 

[CASHAPP]

delete

 

[kingofnyc]

horrible example.

the fugees dissed pac first.

were they diss pac 1st?

 

[Afromaticz]

i make perfect sense

u sound ridiculous...
do u even realize the amount of subliminal that went on back inna dayz

YET only 1 nikka...
didnt do WHAT damn near every rapper did
-drop a sub back at them

Lets be honest my nig when cats get at you with a sub you can either drop a sub bk or call them nikkas out and be blunt with it..nothin wrong with both.

 

[kingofnyc]

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"[Biggie] called me. He said, 'Let's get together.' He said that everyone was a little nervous about it, but he was calling me about getting busy," Nas explained. "Getting me and Big in the same room wasn't easy. I had just dropped my record, and my schedule was crazy. Biggie was in Miami recording Life After death. It was just timing. We were supposed to get together and talk more, so who knows what would have happened."

And before yall say Nas was lying,I remember it being confirmed in a interview by either Dilla or somebody in his camp before Nas ever spoke on a Biggie and Nas diss that was supposed to happen,people just thought he was full of shyt....Not sure what more proof you need than the cowardly act of dissing Pac after he was dead and couldn't respond,it was obvious Biggie wanted to diss Pac but didn't have the confidence to do it alone.....I guess it is hustling backwards when you know you bout to take that L without help from Nas....Nas wasn't even known for battling back then,wonder how many nikkas Biggie called before he dialed Nas number?Wonder if Nas even gave Biggie his number

Maybe he was,i wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to see Biggie fall to Pac,or just for Pac to make Biggie look weak enough that he himself could come in and shyt on Biggie

What is it Nas former friends call him?King Cobra? "We from the bottom"....doesn't change Biggie calling him out of desperation though.

Biggies snake tactics make Nas look like a salamander or catapillar.

@ 2:30

at this

nas brought it up in the XXL mag - when pressed on details about biggie asking him to do a pac diss song

he froze up, and said nah.... imma save that... maybe if i write a book some day (that interview was a decade & a half ago)

we dont believe u - u need more people