I think I realized partly why NYC rap fell off...

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This thread been made a billion fukking times and everytime it's full of the same bullshyt reasons & thinly disguised hate.

NYC fell off because NYC producers fell off, period. The flame in hiphop has ALWAYS been with the region with the hottest beat makers. We ain't had a wave of dope producers since the Rocafella days.

Nope.

Even still, NYC artists would get more burn in their town if the DJs and MCs on radio were younger and represented what NYC is currently like.

Are dudes still impressed with Ebro takling about what he listens to out of 18 year olds?

We get it...you "love" hiphop...but you're just too old to even understand whats TRULY hot right now outside of you reading summaries your intern grabs for you
 

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Here's the problem with that. New York's foundation is based on a style that's ancient. Nas, Jay Z etc. have put a shadow over that foundation that nobody can really come out from under it. And the young rappers for the most part have to either invent their own style and be creative just be spoken word..... I mean battle rappers.

New York rap has become its own worst enemy. Stigmatized. A$ap Rocky and his people have tried to cultivate and be creative though. And the old heads are simply stuck in the past wondering what the fukk happened while waiting for some mythical rapper to come down from the heavens with a DJ Premier clone and take over the industry.

New York is basically sovereign satellite embassy for southern music and whatever is hot at the moment. And just to clarify.. New York has always been about playing what's hot at the moment on the radio. The only difference is now it mostly comes from various other parts of the country.
This is exactly what I'm saying.

NYC DOES have talent, but they need younger tastemakers with the power to actually put it on.

ASAP MOB is a great example. Those dudes are STRAIGHT NYC but until tastemakers from the city are young enough and truly involved in whats going on to do something about it, nothing will really change.

You got dudes on radio who have been there since 1991 talkin' about "this is that new shyt" in 2014....you can't really get me to believe that no matter how much they SAY they like it, that they're really just trying to cling to a job.

I think dudes need to travel to other cities and see what I'm talking about.

ATL doesn't have this problem specifically for this reason.
 
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you're confusing legacy with legitimacy.

Shes nothing more than a talking head at this point.


When you have a legacy within what you do, people respect your line of work. Y'all talking like she gets treated like Wendy Williams in hiphop.

Jay-Z respects an Angie Martinez interview. And if it's a big interview within hiphop radio, you can bet you heard Angie voice doing the interview

Only in modern times has The Breakfast club began to gain traction to be notable as well.

Hot 97 is a legendary station and Angie is arguably the most recognized name on there idk why y'all acting like she's just a groupie.


YOUR point is somewhat valid though, they need younger personalities to put new nikkas on. I was adding though that people like her and flex you cannot just toss
 

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When you have a legacy within what you do, people respect your line of work. Y'all talking like she gets treated like Wendy Williams in hiphop.

Jay-Z respects an Angie Martinez interview. And if it's a big interview within hiphop radio, you can bet you heard Angie voice doing the interview
So?

Angie is really trying to fool yall into thinking shes more than what she is. Shes fukking 43 fam. Theres no way to twist that. Jay is the artist He has that card to do whatever he wants with the music.

Angie is trying to score a talk show like Wendy....and for that I salute Wendy cause thats the right move to make.

Only in modern times has The Breakfast club began to gain traction to be notable as well.
TBC is clearly younger but even still Char and Envy ain't young enough to TRULY connect with younger music talent. Morning shows follow different age targets though.

Hot 97 is a legendary station and Angie is arguably the most recognized name on there idk why y'all acting like she's just a groupie.
She is a groupie. She's an old groupie with a voice you treat like your own mothers who can seem to do no wrong.

YOUR point is somewhat valid though, they need younger personalities to put new nikkas on.

So stop caping for angie as if she does nothing more than talk with that old haggard voice of hers trying to pretend shes at homie blasting shyt college freshmen listen to
 

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fukk this thread in your bullshyt ass opinion. You dont even live in the US. fukk would corny ass know...
 

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This is exactly what I'm saying.

NYC DOES have talent, but they need younger tastemakers with the power to actually put it on.

ASAP MOB is a great example. Those dudes are STRAIGHT NYC but until tastemakers from the city are young enough and truly involved in whats going on to do something about it, nothing will really change.

You got dudes on radio who have been there since 1991 talkin' about "this is that new shyt" in 2014....you can't really get me to believe that no matter how much they SAY they like it, that they're really just trying to cling to a job.

I think dudes need to travel to other cities and see what I'm talking about.

ATL doesn't have this problem specifically for this reason.

I was listening to hot97 earlier like I said earlier waiting to hear the new Asap song. Practically Everything I heard was from out west or some DJ mustard sounding produced song.

And then the two NY songs I heard (other than that Beyoncé & Jay song) was that 50 cent ft trey songs song which sounded straight out 2005.. And then some Vado song..which sounded kinda dated as well and like a typical Vado song but with some auto tuned dude on the chorus

Edit: oh and a Fab song.. Which supports my point even more

It's like they don't even wanna play newer guys like that and just relying on the older heads to brings shyt back. The radio in NY for newer NY artists seems irrelevant. That's a problem. the south or the west isn't doing that. When I was driving up from Florida and going through South Carolina..As soon as I turned on the radio I heard Migos. I heard mostly rappers from the south..Migos, Rico Love, Ross the entire time I had the radio on for an hour or so just to hear what the south played. I had on hot 97 for 2 hours and heard 3 NY artists songs.. Until Asap premiered there song. I could turn on NY radio at any point and guaranteed it's going to be a west coast or southern artist or 00s rapper.

Then you got people on here who are like "cause the newer guys are garbage" which is subjective and Asap, Pro Era, Flatbush Zombies, Underachievers, Even tho I don't like him .. Troy Ave..DO have a fanbase in NY. Whether any of those guys sound traditionally NY or not is irrelevant. They are newer guys and should be getting support, period.
 
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Rap used to be for young people, it's not anymore

The average rapper used to come up as a teen. LL, Rakim, G Rap, etc...

That's not the case anymore. nikkas don't even start rapping until their late 20s, early 30s now.
 

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I was listening to hot97 earlier like I said earlier waiting to hear the new Asap song

Everything I heard was from out west or some DJ mustard sounding produced song.

And then the two NY songs I heard (other than that Beyoncé & Jay song) was that 50 cent ft trey songs song which sounded straight out 2005.. And then some Vado song..which sounded kinda dated as well and like a typical Vado song but with some auto tuned dude on the chorus

It's like they don't even wanna play newer guys and just relying on the older heads to brings shyt back. That's a problem. the south or the west isn't doing that. When I was driving up from Florida and going through South Carolina..I heard mostly rappers from the south..Migos, Rico Love, Ross the entire time I had the radio on for an hour or so just to hear what the south played. I had on hot 97 for 2 hours and heard 3 NY artists songs.. Until Asap premiered there song.

Then you got people on here who are like "cause the newer guys are garbage" which is subjective and Asap, Pro Era, Flatbush Zombies, Underachievers, Even tho I don't like him .. Troy Ave..DO have a fanbase in NY. Whether any of those guys sound traditionally NY or not is irrelevant.

Like Ebro said in the 7 am to 7 pm time slots they play whats popular on a national level. They play by a different set of rules. New York artists don't try to make mainstream records either because they don't know how or they just don't care. Jay Z has been laying the template for years. Ja Rule laid the foundation but for an artist like Skyzoo or Joey Badazz to try and make a record like that will be considered selling out. You either can be in that lane or you can't. There are too many outlets for artist to expose their music not just the radio. If New York rappers had dope records or crossover records that appealed in other areas outside of the tri-state it would be known. Nicki Minaj thrives because she's multi-dimensional with her music. Swizz Beats is still relevant because he knows how to create new sounds. It is what it is.

And then theres the lyricism debate. That only works if you have an established fan base and even if you are super lyrical.... you still have to make dope songs with mass appeal. Like a Kendrick Lamar.
 

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Shes not a figurehead of anything breh...wtf has she done to advance hip hop as a culture or the radio

Niccas handing out titles to groupies who managed to finesse their way into sticking around

Explain to me what she has done for hip hop? Like, via the radio has she done anything like put on anyone of note? The biggest contribution she's ever made is being the b1tch in the i got a story to tell skit/song


And why the fucc would i need to @ or dap you hoe nicca? Who said i wanted to talk to your b1tch ass? :heh:

Saying Angie isn't a figurehead makes you sound ridiculous. She is. Angie's probably the second biggest name when it comes to NY radio Hip Hop over the last 20 years.
 
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So?

Angie is really trying to fool yall into thinking shes more than what she is. Shes fukking 43 fam. Theres no way to twist that. Jay is the artist He has that card to do whatever he wants with the music.

Angie is trying to score a talk show like Wendy....and for that I salute Wendy cause thats the right move to make.

TBC is clearly younger but even still Char and Envy ain't young enough to TRULY connect with younger music talent. Morning shows follow different age targets though.

She is a groupie. She's an old groupie with a voice you treat like your own mothers who can seem to do no wrong.



So stop caping for angie as if she does nothing more than talk with that old haggard voice of hers trying to pretend shes at homie blasting shyt college freshmen listen to


Wendy moved on to pop culture at large, and toned down cause she was the most hated personality on hiphop radio.

No artists wanted to fukk with her, she stopped getting interviews and her show on 107.5 feel to tumbleweed.

If a big artist is going to/needs to do an interview. Angie can guaranteed get that interview. That has always been her angle, no she doesn't break new artists/music that's what the DJs do. She's not a DJ.

If morning shows target different listeners than what does a PM rush hour show target? PM rush you don't get the high schoolers getting dressed like in the AM.

But anyway all this is besides the point--

Troy ave gets plenty of play on NYC radio. Way too much for an unsigned artist. His advantage is he actually fukks with NY DJs. he stays promoting them, having them do his shows etc. so they fukk with him.

With all these other artists though it's different. In an age where the south dominates and nobody gives a fukk about a NY DJ anymore it's like their pull has become obscure. That's why even NY artists aren't going after NY DJ cosigns. NY DJs can't even break Troy past a certain level:flabbynsick:

Hot 97 as heavy as it was, is dying, 105 isn't that far behind. Outside of the interviews nobody fukks with the radio. But being how major these stations are you have corporations stepping in and now all they play is highly, highly commercial singles. Like that drunk in love would literally get played 3x in a single hour.
 

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Saying Angie isn't a figurehead makes you sound ridiculous. She is. Angie's probably the second biggest name when it comes to NY radio Hip Hop over the last 20 years.
Answer my questions then? Just because she's been around for a long time doesn't make you a figurehead of anything??? :mindblown:

Read the definition of 'figurehead' and get back to me...you niccas are ridiculous, what has she led? Where has she innovated? What has she done to advance new york hip hop radio? What is her exact importance? Who has she put on? What would you lose other than a voice you're used to hearing if she quit radio?

FUNK FLEX is a figurehead...you're trying to tell me angie fuccing martinez is on flex's level in terms of hip hop just because shes been around for 20 odd years? foh

Oh and i see the other nicca who dapped you went as silent as a church mouse :heh:
 
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Answer my questions then? Just because she's been around for a long time doesn't make you a figurehead of anything??? :mindblown:

Read the definition of 'figurehead' and get back to me...you niccas are ridiculous, what has she led? Where has she innovated? What has she done to advance new york hip hop radio? What is her exact importance? Who has she put on? What would you lose other than a voice you're used to hearing if she quit radio?

FUNK FLEX is a figurehead...you're trying to tell me angie fuccing martinez is on flex's level in terms of hip hop just because shes been around for 20 odd years? foh

Oh and i see the other nicca who dapped you went as silent as a church mouse :heh:

The fact that youre comparing a radio personality to a DJ nobody can take you serious.

Her show has #1 listenership on Hot 97, and her show ranks consistently at #1 listenership on hip-hop radio in the nation. You dont get kept at the helm of fukking Hot 97 for 20 years just cause you jerked a few cocks.
 
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