Ice Cube Shares His Thoughts On Ghostwriting

[wire28]

You related to Aubrey or somethin?

Dre, Easy, Kanye, others have had mufukkaz writing for them. This has always been known. But they aren't seen as great MCs either even though they may have great/classic albums and material.

This is classic deflection tactics.

*edit*

I see your rep....

thats the main point. we got hipster websites, instathots, and coli weirdos telling us aubrey is the best rapper since So Far Gone and now we know he dont even write his shyt.

people wouldnt care about this at all if aubrey wasnt being heralded and packaged by his handlers as the best rapper out

 

[JustCKing]

You smoke crack breh?

"I inspired lyrical tyrants like Kanye West and Em"---- Nas, "Outro" verse from Lil' Wayne's Carter 4

Kanye is #31 on a list of GOAT lyricists The Source's Top 50 Lyricists Of All Time **Complete List Inside**

^^^ Instances of a rapper using ghost writers being hailed as a great. Not my opinion, but proof that people do take ghost written rappers seriously.

 

[JustCKing]

Only an idiot would say Eazy E is one of the best MCs ever. Or someone who had just started listening to rap and NWA was the first group they listened to

We should be questioning why Drake being heralded as a great matters then. Look at who actually has Drake as one of the best MC's ever. If the people putting Drake on pedestal lack Hip Hop credibility, why is this even an issue?

 

[up in here]

"I inspired lyrical tyrants like Kanye West and Em"---- Nas, "Outro" verse from Lil' Wayne's Carter 4

Kanye is #31 on a list of GOAT lyricists The Source's Top 50 Lyricists Of All Time **Complete List Inside**

^^^ Instances of a rapper using ghost writers being hailed as a great. Not my opinion, but proof that people do take ghost written rappers seriously.

Nas cosigns just about every new rapper in the game. That's hardly noteworthy. And number 31 isn't anywhere near top 10 or top 5 like you was claiming

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

"I inspired lyrical tyrants like Kanye West and Em"---- Nas, "Outro" verse from Lil' Wayne's Carter 4

Kanye is #31 on a list of GOAT lyricists The Source's Top 50 Lyricists Of All Time **Complete List Inside**

^^^ Instances of a rapper using ghost writers being hailed as a great. Not my opinion, but proof that people do take ghost written rappers seriously.

But seriously how can you not take Kanye's catalog serious? They probably didn't think Ye would get as big as he is but regardless his work can't be denied. Ok he don't write his lyrics but what mc's that do write have better solo albums?

Ras Kass?
Jadakiss?

Joe Budden?

Fabolous?

See where I'm going its a difference between writing a hot 16 and creating a classic album and Ye's work can't be taken away.

 

[DaveyDave]

We should be questioning why Drake being heralded as a great matters then. Look at who actually has Drake as one of the best MC's ever. If the people putting Drake on pedestal lack Hip Hop credibility, why is this even an issue?

I do question that all the time but I don't hear many people calling him an all time great. I hear lots of rappers saying he's "bringing lyricism back to the mainstream" and shyt like that

 

[JustCKing]

But seriously how can you not take Kanye's catalog serious? They probably didn't think Ye would get as big as he is but regardless his work can't be denied. Ok he don't write his lyrics but what mc's that do write have better solo albums?

Ras Kass?
Jadakiss?

Joe Budden?

Fabolous?

See where I'm going its a difference between writing a hot 16 and creating a classic album and Ye's work can't be taken away.

That's not the point. People are in here arguing that Drake is heralded as great MC and that no one really took rappers like Kanye seriously for having ghosts. This argument is used to say that "well, Drake using ghosts is a big deal because he's out here posing as a credible MC and people are buying it". My argument is that Kanye did the same. I'm not saying this to discredit Kanye, but it's proof that people put him on a pedestal as a credible MC even after finding out he had writers.

 

[JustCKing]

Nas cosigns just about every new rapper in the game. That's hardly noteworthy. And number 31 isn't anywhere near top 10 or top 5 like you was claiming

It's noteworthy when a lyricist of Nas' caliber is saying something like that. Kanye is at #31 on a list that includes GOAT lyricists from each era of Hip Hop. They have him above Black Thought, GZA, and Prodigy among others. That's pretty high.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I haven't seen ANYBODY say that ghostwriting is uncommon.

That's Drake stans trying to point the finger at everybody else because he got caught with another mans hand up his ass all while trying to gain credibility as a EMCEE.

Any of the supposed "flat top" "real heads" blah blah blah know what the deal is. Ghostwriting has been around from the JUMP, and so has been separating the wheat from the chaff when we start talking about who are the GREAT EMCEES in this culture.

Drake is now exempt from that conversation. Meep was except whether he uses ghost writers or not.

And as much as I love Cube he's been a sell out, not expecting him to switch it up now especially on a promo run involving the history on a group where it was mostly 2 people penning everybodies rhymes...he'd essentially be saying "fukk them, I deserve all the credit" to 2/3 of everybody involved

If you ever had Drake in that conversation the joke is on you. That's why y'all act so hurt by this, because deep down y'all were closet admirers of his pen game

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

People not going to remember this ghostwriting fiasco unless some real powerful evidence come out. And we don't really know if he did have a ghostwriter. But people going to remember Drake for his radio hits People might not even remember Meek like that because he don't have them type of radio hits sad to say but thats how

That's not the point. People are in here arguing that Drake is heralded as great MC and that no one really took rappers like Kanye seriously for having ghosts. This argument is used to say that "well, Drake using ghosts is a big deal because he's out here posing as a credible MC and people are buying it". My argument is that Kanye did the same. I'm not saying this to discredit Kanye, but it's proof that people put him on a pedestal as a credible MC even after finding out he had writers.

It is a big deal but as I said earlier its still early we gotta see how his career goes. But thats what I mean when I say the scenarios is different for different artist. If its found true he had ghostwriters his entire career he will be the milli vanilli. Especially when you was talking about battling mook. I wouldnt even want to see that battle now because it will be question marks around it.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

If you ever had Drake in that conversation the joke is on you. That's why y'all act so hurt by this, because deep down y'all were closet admirers of his pen game

Na dude was running around talking about battling Mook. If he had ghostwriters and he battled Mook and had ghostwriters that's cheating.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Na dude was running around talking about battling Mook. If he had ghostwriters and he battled Mook and had ghostwriters that's cheating.

Drake would have fallen hard on that sword (pause) had that happened.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

I never looked at Drake as a mc I always thought he made good radio hits and is an artist. I'll admit I haven't heard the reference tracks I think I'll google it. That's why dude was talking about battling Mook because he know he' s not looked at as a mc but a rapper with some radio bangers. Hold up though how he have ghostwriters didn't he write this for Alicia Keys?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

If you ever had Drake in that conversation the joke is on you. That's why y'all act so hurt by this, because deep down y'all were closet admirers of his pen game

We should be questioning why Drake being heralded as a great matters then. Look at who actually has Drake as one of the best MC's ever. If the people putting Drake on pedestal lack Hip Hop credibility, why is this even an issue?

because we're at a point where most people cant tell who is who.

especially with social media now having some sort of marriage to hip-hop.

anybody can just hop on there, say some dumb chit in a catchy way, and the sheep will repeat.

 

[up in here]

It's noteworthy when a lyricist of Nas' caliber is saying something like that. Kanye is at #31 on a list that includes GOAT lyricists from each era of Hip Hop. They have him above Black Thought, GZA, and Prodigy among others. That's pretty high.

I think your initial point of Kanye being in top 5 -10 lyricists lists and being seen as an elite lyricist is a bit of a reach compared to what you have presented here. 31 is good but it's not top ranking

As for Drake, he will survive just fine, most of his fans don't care that he uses ghostwriters, they only care about the hits. But when speaking about the best lyricists of this era, Kendrick will get a mention, Cole will get a mention, Drakes name just won't be able to hang with them.