If Aaliyah was still here, do you think she would be the best female artist in R&B/Pop right now?

[Here Comes the Pain]

the real disrespect is from these belated Aaliyah stans disrespecting the game by rewriting history. all gloves are off by that point. you should check them instead.

how was her popularity growing when her last album did poorly before she died?

i think youre confusing an artist getting placements & crossing over with genuine organic popularity. also, when artists start doing movies, they usually get to that point by the time that their prime had already ran its course. Aaliyah being a prime example. a disappointing album drops, before she even films her role in the matrix.

"try again" was a big hit but it clearly didn't carry over into her album the following summer. and that's probably because that song was str8 kidz bop/bubblegum.

timbo would've gave her what songs that became hits? why didnt he give her any hits for her last album?(that "more than a woman" chit wouldve flopped if she was alive). and timbo went pop breh. and if Aaliyah was so great, why are yall mortgaging her future on what beats a producer may or may not have given her? the same producer who had fallouts with missy & Ginuwine, who were bigger acts than Aaliyah and he was with them long before Aaliyah was in the picture.

Her album went gold before she died. The album itself wasn't even out that long.

Aaliyah`s popularity was definitely organic. You had people who wanted to imitate her looks & dance moves. Nothing manufactured about the love that Aaliyah received

Beyonce, Usher, & Timberlake were doing movies in the prime of their careers . The same can be said for countless others such as T.I, Dmx, Brandy, etc.

 

[Antiquity]

The title of the thread is would Aaliyah be the BEST female artist, not the BIGGEST in the entire world . She would've continued to pump out high quality RnB music as she did while she was alive and would've gotten better as she aged, as evident by the improvements she made from the beginning to the end of her career, so she very well could've ended up the best by this point - but she would almost be 40 by now. I'm sure by 35 she would've moved into fashion design or some business ventures with Dame

And Ashanti's first album was the bomb, but Ashanti didn't do much afterwards. Aaliyah modeled and acted to keep herself afloat during that 5 year gap in her albums. She should've toured more though, that would've helped her popularity a lot

 

[Dboy41]

The title of the thread is would Aaliyah be the BEST female artist, not the BIGGEST in the entire world . She would've continued to pump out high quality RnB music as she did while she was alive and would've gotten better as she aged, as evident by the improvements she made from the beginning to the end of her career, so she very well could've ended up the best by this point - but she would almost be 40 by now. I'm sure by 35 she would've moved into fashion design or some business ventures with Dame

And Ashanti's first album was the bomb, but Ashanti didn't do much afterwards. Aaliyah modeled and acted to keep herself afloat during that 5 year gap in her albums. She should've toured more though, that would've helped her popularity a lot

She was attending DSA high for her first two albums which is why she didn't tour that much.

 

[Wacky D]

When Beyonce's second album came out it was flopping for the first couple of months which is why she kept putting out re-issues of her album.

A year later the album did well.

Wacky D explain this

I don't remember that.

and I don't care about beyonce.

and next time, tag me.

Most singers don't write or produce their music. Being able to write or produce doesn't cover up anything either.

stopped reading right there.

you clearly don't get the gist of what I'm saying, AS USUAL. and yet you still want to argue to the death. that's that internet chit.

this is why I don't converse with you. I don't have time to waste like that anymore, lil buddy.

How was she at the bottom
Of the bill? She was a special guest of a joint tour. Just like dc were opening acts of OTHER people's tours. Same shyt.


Rihanna hardly writes or produces yet she has more hits than Beyonce. I don't see your logic.

And not to mention, It takes ONE person to write an Aaliyah song. It takes TEN people to write a Beyonce song. So how much is she actually writing? Why does she need so many people to help pen a 3 minute track?

She wasn't considered bad by anybody, and I want proof. I got proof of Whitney saying she loves Aaliyah's voice and Janet on wax saying Aaliyah was one of the best female dancers out.

another person that's completely missing the point.

It was still gold in a month. Do you got a crystal ball to know how it would end up selling overall?


Just like how in that first month Ashanti was shytting on Beyonce on the charts... Beyonce kept pushing the album and it outsold her overall. You have no argument lol

I know how poor the critical reception was for that album, aside from the fact that that the sales were disappointing. that's the difference between that and the beyonce albums that you keep bringing up.

what more do you need to know? lol.

ashanti was HUGE. why do you keep bringing her up, as if getting outsold by her is a bad thing.

 

[Wacky D]

one thing I will say to Aaliyah's credit, is that she probably could've had a 2nd music career as a successful pop artist. nowhere near beyonce levels. but she could've had a nice 2nd run as a mid-level pop artist. it would've possibly ruined the lil legacy she established in r&b tho, but then again, timbaland knows how to walk the plank concerning those things

but yea, I see that she has a dedicated fanbase of people that could give two chits about r&b. she touched the bases of the types that don't listen to r&b but like timbaland beats, and the types that only watched BET for rap city, then would turn the channel to watch TRL.

I think that's where the confusion lies(along with the age gap) with people that don't seem to understand that Aaliyah was the 3rd wheel behind monica & brandy, whenever we bring their names up.

its also telling how a lot of the people bangin for her, completely skip over the r.kelly era.

 

[JustCKing]

one thing I will say to Aaliyah's credit, is that she probably could've had a 2nd music career as a successful pop artist. nowhere near beyonce levels. but she could've had a nice 2nd run as a mid-level pop artist. it would've possibly ruined the lil legacy she established in r&b tho, but then again, timbaland knows how to walk the plank concerning those things

but yea, I see that she has a dedicated fanbase of people that could give two chits about r&b. she touched the bases of the types that don't listen to r&b but like timbaland beats, and the types that only watched BET for rap city, then would turn the channel to watch TRL.

I think that's where the confusion lies(along with the age gap) with people that don't seem to understand that Aaliyah was the 3rd wheel behind monica & brandy, whenever we bring their names up.

its also telling how a lot of the people bangin for her, completely skip over the r.kelly era.

Yet again, proof you have no clue if what you're talking about.

I guarantee I know more about R&B than you ever will. My introduction to music wasn't 80's or 90's R&B. I loved R&B before I knew a Timbaland or Aaliyah existed.

Aaliyah was not the 3rd wheel behind Monica. I remember artists name dropping Aaliyah and Brandy with no mention of Monica and this was in the 90's.

Aaliyah's work with R. Kelly is hardly glosses over. "Let Me Know" (original and remix) are arguably her best songs.

 

[Edub]

Such a overrated artist. Hate she died early but listening to folks rewrite what she was is crazy

One in a million was/is a classic album....before and after that she is a tad over rated

 

[Antiquity]

She made timeless music. Are you that somebody

But she'd be Ashanti status...aging like fine wine

Why are people acting like Aaliyah wasn't a star in 2001? Ashanti's run went from 2001 to 2002. Aaliyah's went from 1994 to 2001. She had longevity.

And Brandys career went downhill because she lied about her marriage and her management had no idea how to market her after Moesha ended and she was no longer in her teenage years. Aaliyah somehow managed to avoid this, she had a smooth transition from teen to adult whereas Brandy' s was awkward and hard on her.

 

[QU Hectic]

Queen Bey and RiRi would give her a run for a money...a long run

 

[krazykid18]

Yet again, proof you have no clue if what you're talking about.

I guarantee I know more about R&B than you ever will. My introduction to music wasn't 80's or 90's R&B. I loved R&B before I knew a Timbaland or Aaliyah existed.

Aaliyah was not the 3rd wheel behind Monica. I remember artists name dropping Aaliyah and Brandy with no mention of Monica and this was in the 90's.

Aaliyah's work with R. Kelly is hardly glosses over. "Let Me Know" (original and remix) are arguably her best songs.

Your lying and you are making WackyD's point Aaliyah was the third wheel behind Monica and Brandy and aaliyah "die after" fans have now try to make her bigger than she was when during her time she was known as a dance act with limited vocals and range basically a production act. While Brandy and Monica were singers thats why the Boy is Mine in 98 was huge and Whitney Houston and them were all on Monica and Brandy.

And if we are being honest Beyonce was already bigger than her by the time she died if we are being truthful since Beyonce had already had an 5X platinum album with Destiny Child second Lp and was coming off the Survivor LP and Bootylicious during that summer and Aaliyah's LP was flopping none of her songs of that Lp were sticking til she died.

Lets be real if we want to have a discussion, Wacky D is 100 percent right if aaliyah doesn't die she wouldn't be no force in the rnb game because her limited vocals would have got her clowned.

 

[JustCKing]

Your lying and you are making WackyD's point Aaliyah was the third wheel behind Monica and Brandy and aaliyah "die after" fans have now try to make her bigger than she was when during her time she was known as a dance act with limited vocals and range basically a production act. While Brandy and Monica were singers thats why the Boy is Mine in 98 was huge and Whitney Houston and them were all on Monica and Brandy.

And if we are being honest Beyonce was already bigger than her by the time she died if we are being truthful since Beyonce had already had an 5X platinum album with Destiny Child second Lp and was coming off the Survivor LP and Bootylicious during that summer and Aaliyah's LP was flopping none of her songs of that Lp were sticking til she died.

Lets be real if we want to have a discussion, Wacky D is 100 percent right if aaliyah doesn't die she wouldn't be no force in the rnb game because her limited vocals would have got her clowned.

I am not lying. For starters, Monica wasn't selling as much as Aaliyah nor Brandy. Soundscan had Monica selling 1.5 million copies of each of her albums. Aaliyah was selling around 2 million of each of her albums. This is with Monica having #1 singles. I'm referring to the 90's, so this obviously excludes anything after Aaliyah's death. If you want to bring Whitney Houston into this, she was also a fan of Aaliyah. She cast Aaliyah in Sparkle, a movie that Whitney herself was producing. Aaliyah died before it went into production. "bu, bu, but, Aaliyah was the third wheel":

Than she starts to ask about Aaliyah and Brandy
Tellin' me how she met Puff down at the Grammy's ------ Mase, Lookin' At Me (1997)

Prom diva footwear: Via Spiga
Like Aaliyah, one in a million----- Foxy Brown, Big Bad Mama (1997)


In reference to Beyoncé, saying Beyoncé was more popular. Beyoncé wasn't a solo artist when Aaliyah was alive. And when Beyoncé went solo, she struggled as a solo artist until her and Jay Z linked up of "Bonnie & Clyde", which was over a year after Aaliyah had died. So who's really lying and rewriting history here. You can't put Destiny's child and Beyoncé on the same plateau because it was obviously different fan bases. No Beyoncé solo album has sold as much as Destiny's Child's biggest album. Any credit you're giving to Beyoncé for the success of Destiny's Child also goes to Latavia, LaToya, Kelly, and Michelle. They were a group.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Why are people acting like Aaliyah wasn't a star in 2001? Ashanti's run went from 2001 to 2002. Aaliyah's went from 1994 to 2001. She had longevity.

And Brandys career went downhill because she lied about her marriage and her management had no idea how to market her after Moesha ended and she was no longer in her teenage years. Aaliyah somehow managed to avoid this, she had a smooth transition from teen to adult whereas Brandy' s was awkward and hard on her.

100% facts, but people too busy lying to themselves.

 

[krazykid18]

I am not lying. For starters, Monica wasn't selling as much as Aaliyah nor Brandy. Soundscan had Monica selling 1.5 million copies of each of her albums. Aaliyah was selling around 2 million of each of her albums. This is with Monica having #1 singles. I'm referring to the 90's, so this obviously excludes anything after Aaliyah's death. If you want to bring Whitney Houston into this, she was also a fan of Aaliyah. She cast Aaliyah in Sparkle, a movie that Whitney herself was producing. Aaliyah died before it went into production. "bu, bu, but, Aaliyah was the third wheel":

Than she starts to ask about Aaliyah and Brandy
Tellin' me how she met Puff down at the Grammy's ------ Mase, Lookin' At Me (1997)

Prom diva footwear: Via Spiga
Like Aaliyah, one in a million----- Foxy Brown, Big Bad Mama (1997)


In reference to Beyoncé, saying Beyoncé was more popular. Beyoncé wasn't a solo artist when Aaliyah was alive. And when Beyoncé went solo, she struggled as a solo artist until her and Jay Z linked up of "Bonnie & Clyde", which was over a year after Aaliyah had died. So who's really lying and rewriting history here. You can't put Destiny's child and Beyoncé on the same plateau because it was obviously different fan bases. No Beyoncé solo album has sold as much as Destiny's Child's biggest album. Any credit you're giving to Beyoncé for the success of Destiny's Child also goes to Latavia, LaToya, Kelly, and Michelle. They were a group.

Your reaching One Destiny Child LP outsold aaliyah's whole career but the lead singer wasn't bigger than aaliyah stop reaching.

 

[JustCKing]

100% facts, but people too busy lying to themselves.

This.

And this whole notion that Beyoncé was as big as she is now when Aaliyah was alive is absurd. Beyoncé put in hard work and effort to get where she is, but when she went solo, Kelly Rowland was more of a priority than Beyoncé because she was featured on a huge hit with Nelly. "Work It Out" was Beyoncé's first solo single and it didn't even chart. Take into consideration that it was produced by The Neptunes. The same Neptunes who produced 40% of the songs on the radio that year.

 

[JustCKing]

Your reaching One Destiny Child LP outsold aaliyah's whole career but the lead singer wasn't bigger than aaliyah stop reaching.

Destiny's Child is a group. Lead singer or not, Destiny's Child was a group effort. Leads have often gone solo and did nothing. Coko was the lead of SWV. SWV was bigger than a lot of solo acts. Coko went solo and flopped compared to solo artists that SWV was bigger than. Nothing Beyonce did as a solo took off until after she featured on Jay Z's lead single. Meanwhile, Kelly Rowland's first solo single, "Can't Nobody" fared better than "Work It Out".