If You're the Breadwinner...

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Men and women are different, but definitely “equal” as it pertains to most current relationships. Men should certainly scrap that non equal mentality, especially when some can’t function without the assistance of their partner.

Men and women are equal as persons but unequal in other ways.

With that being said, this thread is about "high value men" so I think the agreed upon definition is this is a man with means who does not need to rely on his partner for any (financial) assistance, right?

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

@JQ Legend it's the lies that got to me.

Women are so used to not having fact based conversations and reinventing what was said in their head that they can't help but do it in this very thread.

I never once said women are "not on par" with men.

The point that I made is exactly what you said breh and I'm glad you got it.

This is why I excused myself from this thread the other day.

I had enough of the lies, and the bad faith arguments.

This is why I don't debate with women offline or even online because the logic always tends to go off the rails somewhere. At some point they stop listening to what you're saying and start inserting their own viewpoints to start arguing with themselves as they make you a straw man.

Only woman I MIGHT have a debate with is my woman. All this other stuff you can have it. I will see myself out of here once again

So you didn’t imply that men and women aren’t equal? Because that’s all I’m responding too when you mentioned

The initial premise that you build your logic on is incorrect.

Your entire premise seems to equate men and women. To you, men and women are equal when that could be the furthest thing from the truth.

The apples and oranges analogy used by the other poster is different from what you expressed in bold. Saying something is different isn’t the same as saying it isn’t equal.

Two different items can be placed on a scale to measure and have the same mass or value.

But saying someone isn’t equal to someone else is disrespectful.

 

[Rawtid]

Men and women are equal as persons but unequal in other ways.

With that being said, this thread is about "high value men" so I think the agreed upon definition is this is a man with means who does not need to rely on his partner for any (financial) assistance, right?

How can you be “high value” and of poor moral character at the same time? I felt this is what the thread was trying to discuss. You pay the bills but you’re a cheater...but if your bills are getting paid, you should expect some cheating.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

So you didn’t imply that men and women aren’t equal? Because that’s all I’m responding too when you mentioned
The apples and oranges analogy used by the other poster is different from what you expressed in bold. Saying something is different isn’t the same as saying it isn’t equal.

Two different items can be placed on a scale to measure and have the same mass or value.

But saying someone isn’t equal to someone else is disrespectful.

I have a post in here saying that just like there are things that men can do that women cannot, there are things that women can do that men cannot. Yall are the literal lifebringer. For a man to say he's equal to yall would be insanity. I notice you skipped the post where I said that tho.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

How can you be “high value” and of poor moral character at the same time? I felt this is what the thread was trying to discuss. You pay the bills but you’re a cheater...but if your bills are getting paid, you should expect some cheating.

I never once said it was right. In fact I said I didn't agree with it. If I was a millionaire, I would just live my polygamous life and tell any woman I deal with upfront that this is how I live and she has the decision to deal with that or not.

That's not cheating nor is it of low character.

 

[the bossman]

this thread is STILL going. OP used that KS cheat code for a plat thread

 

[Rawtid]

I have a post in here saying that just like there are things that men can do that women cannot, there are things that women can do that men cannot. Yall are the literal lifebringer. For a man to say he's equal to yall would be insanity. I notice you skipped the post where I said that tho.

Men believing they are unequal to women in regards to creating life is why some of y’all will fall back from fatherhood so easily. Your role is different but you’re NEEDED!

We play different roles, Yet EQUAL in the creation of life. We need one another and have to be willing in order for it to happen successfully.

 

[JQ Legend]

This is indeed the case. But feelings get hurt when it’s done to them. Studies are already showing that increases in female income is also correlated to increase in infidelity levels. A lot of cheating isn’t just shallowly based on lust or opportunity.

There’s psychological reasons behind it too. It’s about power for a lot of people and validation. When you contribute more, you tend to take your partner for granted, pride sets in, you feel like you running shyt so you don’t have to stay faithful to somebody who is beneath you when something better comes by.

Both male and female nature can be used to justify promiscuity. Female hypergamy, male reproductive impetus...but like you said...self-control is where you draw the line, particularly if you trying to build something.

Its just as hard for women to tamp down on their desire to fukk the next best thing or not entertain attention from other desirable dudes, as it is for men to control themselves around new p*ssy.

So given this reality, either both need to be willing to put the work in or you don’t need to be in a relationship.

Some parts of this makes sense but how van female hypergamy be used to justify promiscuity? Female hypergamy is one man multiple women are willing to share because they’d prefer that over settling. If anything, female hypergamy justifies male promiscuity. Female hypergamy is not one woman fukking multiple high quality men especially when there is a shortage of high quality men in the first place.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Men believing they are unequal to women in regards to creating life is why some of y’all will fall back from fatherhood so easily. Your role is different but you’re NEEDED!

We play different roles, Yet EQUAL in the creation of life. We need one another and have to be willing in order for it to happen successfully.

oh my GOD. Y'all folks just looking for something to argue about



My nicca, if we play different roles, then we are NOT equal to each other in those various roles.

I'm not equal to a woman when it comes to the nurturing of children. That's something that women got down pat naturally.

A woman is not equal to me when it comes to having that fathering steady hand required for guidance.

Like the breh above said, an apple ain't equal to an orange in being an orange. You can't be this obtuse well I take that back, yes you can.

 

[Wildhundreds]

These women will never understand men because they keep trying to analyze our behavior through a woman's lens.

At least when it comes to us trying to understand them, the first thing we acknowledge is that women are different from men so what goes through her head isn't what goes through ours.

They refuse to even consider the possibility that men just might think differently and have different motivators than women do


It's incredible. I had to stop talking to them due to the lack of even basic common sense that they have regarding this issue.

Chic really got upset with me because I told her that men and women are not equal, nor do we think alike

If you cant acknowledge that basic fact, how are we supposed to ever come to any understanding on more complicated facts?

Real shyt here..

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Real shyt here..

I'm literally in here incredulous like at some of the stuff being said in here right now. Like Future would say, spectacular

 

[Wildhundreds]

I'm literally in here incredulous like at some of the stuff being said in here right now. Like Future would say, spectacular

Im not a bible thumper, but I agree with the Genesis description of a woman being a mans "help meet"..

Men don't need a woman thats equal... A man needs a "helper" or someone to complete him.. And a large portion of that help really isn't about money.. Its a factor, but much deeper and more detailed than a man and woman putting finances together..

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Im not a bible thumper, but I agree with the Genesis description of a woman being a mans "help meet"..

Men don't need a woman thats equal... A man needs a "helper" or someone to complete him.. And a large portion of that help really isn't about money.. Its a factor, but much deeper and more detailed than a man and woman putting finances together..

I believe in the Bible and I believe that verse is accurate, but even then, it's not saying that women are unequal to men.

I give my woman equality in the things that she's equal to or better than me in. For example, I'm not even going to try to take the lead on nurturing of my future children. I would look to her for that because I already know that's something that she's gonna be better than me on. But she looks to me for leadership in the things that she knows that I'm better at than she is.

She looks to me for advice and for guidance on issues. And with that being said, sometimes I bounce things off of her to get her feedback. But she brings her issues to me way more than I bring any issues to her.

But for people in this thread to make a blanket on it's face argument that "men are equal to women", that's dishonest at best and an outright lie at worst.

Folks saying that it's an insult to say that men and women ain't equal. Well tell you what... next time you laying in the bed with your man and y'all hear a loud noise outside, instead of you waking him up and expecting him to go out there and check on it, you let him lay in bed and YOU go check on it.

But of course, you wouldn't do that because you know that men and women aren't equal when it comes to providing protection.

And even if you say "we'll go together!"

Well tell you what, instead of you standing behind him and letting him face the oncoming threat first, let him stand behind you and YOU face the threat first.

Since we're so equal in everything.

Y'all betta get outta here with that mickey mouse white women feminist BS

 

[HarlemHottie]

How can you be “high value” and of poor moral character at the same time?

Bc one thing has nothing to do with the other.

"Hvm"= class markers + community standing, which, depending on your community, may or may not be predicated on 'morals', however that community defines them.

 

[Turbulent]

He didn't tell her to stay with him because he said sorry?



I guess we watched 2 different videos

Didn't watch the vid but what you just said is different than saying it's ok to cheat.