2009 Bron was at his peak
He ain't losing with young sabo, 6moty Harden, and Ibaka
In hindsight KD making deep Western Conference runs with Yung Sabo is incredible
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He ain't losing with young sabo, 6moty Harden, and Ibaka
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Let’s be real Gil, you don’t fukk with KD cause you think he gets too much love in comparison to Steph cause Steph’s your favorite player. You know Russ was an extremely flawed player who was prone to ridiculously low IQ moments when he played with KD. Let’s be real. I do agree he turned up the stat padding, Tasmanian devil shyt after he got his own team but even back he was on some other shyt. That being said, KD has had his fair share of playoff stinkers. But that OKC squad was far from perfect like the name value now seems to reflect
You are such a weird ass nikka. Bringing up Bron out of context is your religion.AT 22/23 YRS OLD?
YET PRIME BRON
LOST WITH PRIME WADE/BOSH TO
AN OLD AS DALLAS TEAM.
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Nah I’m not seeing a fact in that post tbh.
He not retiring he will just move north to play with Curry Goat
HOW IN THE fukkIS IT OUT OF CONTEXT WHEN
DUDE SAID THE TOP 25 ALL TIME
PLAYERS YOU dikk SUCKER?
KD WAS SUPPOSED TOBEAT A 56 WIN GRIZZLIE TEAM
WITH NO WESTBROOK NOR HARDEN
BUT STEPH CANT EVEN BEAT
A 38 WIN GRIZZLIE TEAM
IN A PLAY IN.
He was going up against the best defense in the league with the DPOY (Marc) and best perimeter defender (Tony) while his teammates was Kevin Martin (out of the league 2 seasons later), rookie Reggie Jackson, 38yo Derek Fisher (out the league next season), Serge Ibaka, Thabo Sefolosha, Nick Collison, Hashem Thabeet (out the league next season) and Kendrick Perkins(worst player in the league).
Perkins had the worst series in NBA history. Negative PER. Nick Collison was horrible too. Couldnt rebound and was turning it over like a factory. Even on defense ZBo and Marc was cooking them.
Thabo shot 20% from 3 and thats all he could do on offense. Rookie Reggie was their 2nd best player. No player in NBA history beating that Grizz defense with that roster.
Look at game 2 KD had 36/11/9 on 52/33/92 and they still lost b/c their roster. But they lost b/c...
Ibaka 11/5/0 5 PF 5-12 FG 1-2 3P 0-0 FT
Perkins 4/3/3 2 TOV 4 PF 1-4 FG 2-3 FT
KMart 6/1/1 1 TOV 2-11 FG 0-2 3P 2-2 FT
Reggie 10/5/2 3 TOV 3-8 FGA 0-3 3PA 4-4 FTA
Thabo 7/3/3 2 TOV 2-4 FGA 1-3 3PA 2-2 FTA
Collision 0/0/0 4 TOV 6 PF
Thabeet 0/3/0 2 PF
Combined: 38 points 20 rebs 9 assists 12 TOV 21 PF on 13-40 FGA 2-10 3PA in 183 combined minutes
A center managed to have 0 rebounds in 15 minutes
. He fouled out in that short span of time. Oh and he somehow had 4 TOVs despite attempting 0 shots, 0 rebounds, and only creating 1 assist. Excluding KD, OKC's entire front court rotation got murdered.Mike Conley and Marc Gasol combined for 50/15/14 4 TOV on 19-35 FGA 2-7 3PA and 10-11 FTA. They literally outplayed KD's entire front court rotation and starting backcourt by themselves.
For that Memphis series while getting 23.3 MPG Kendrick Perkins managed
-2.4 ppg 4.2 rpg 0.8 ast with 2.0 TOV and .6 BLK on 23.3 TS%
-Almost as many turnovers(10) as total points(12)
-Almost as many Fouls(18) as Total Rebounds(21)
-More Bad Pass turnovers(7) than Assists(4)
-His shot was blocked(11) almost 4 times as much as he blocked another shot(3)
-He shot 16.7%(4-24) from the field including 1-9(11.1%) on layups and 1-13 on jumpshots(7.7%)
-His Offensive Rating(44) is the lowest ever in a series for a player averaging >20 minutes
-His Net Rating was was -56
-His Game Score for the series was NEGATIVE(-0.6). That means, statistically, he was actually detrimental to his team
-His TOV%(28.0) was 5 times higher than his AST%(5.3)
-He allowed Marc & ZBo to combine for 37.8/19.2/4.6 with only 15 total turnovers in 5 games
-Memphis SG Tony Allen had a TRB% equal to Perkins for the series(10.3%)
Perkins also became the 1st player in NBA history to post a negative PER for the playoffs (-6.7). That means his team would have been better off on offense had he just stayed at the opposite end of the court while OKC had the ball. Additionally, OKC despite losing in 5 games was actually + every game with Perkins off the court. +10 G1, +4 G2, 0 G3, 0 G4, +6 G5
And for OKC's backup C? Perkins TOV%(28.6%) would have been the the highest ever for a 5 game series, but his backup Nick Collison actually blew that number out of the water with his own 34.8%. Collison managed 10 turnovers in 88 total minutes. He actually did accumulate more fouls(26) than total rebounds(20) or total points(18).
No one saying Russ was a bad player he just very flawed specially for a 1st or 2nd option. And it shows more in the playoffs like we seen him in in the playoffs the rest of his career after KD dipped.
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You ain't gonna pull that shyt on me. Save that projection.
KD was/is one of my favorite players; before his time in GS, during, and after. Nobody on this board defended KD throughout his time in GS more than I did.
I repeat: nobody.
I was even defending him after he lost to the Warriors in 2016 when everyone was shytting on him.
I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say with this post, anyway. Nobody was saying that Westbrook didn't have flaws, but that somehow KD was the one carrying Westbrook's ass throughout these deep playoff runs is revisionist history. We were all witness to muh'fukkas on this board saying that Westbrook was the "alpha" of this team during real-time, and now there's this thread using the state the Westbrook was in after the fact, acting like it was actually more to the contrary.
They both deserve near-equal parts praise and criticism for how OKC performed in the postseason during their time as a duo. Anything else is some bullshyt that folks is just using for their own agenda, like that red font nxgga is doing.
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You ain't gonna pull that shyt on me. Save that projection.
KD was/is one of my favorite players; before his time in GS, during, and after. Nobody on this board defended KD throughout his time in GS more than I did.
I repeat: nobody.
I was even defending him after he lost to the Warriors in 2016 when everyone was shytting on him.
I don't even know what the hell you're trying to say with this post, anyway. Nobody was saying that Westbrook didn't have flaws, but that somehow KD was the one carrying Westbrook's ass throughout these deep playoff runs is revisionist history. We were all witness to muh'fukkas on this board saying that Westbrook was the "alpha" of this team during real-time, and now there's this thread using the state the Westbrook was in after the fact, acting like it was actually more to the contrary.
They both deserve near-equal parts praise and criticism for how OKC performed in the postseason during their time as a duo. Anything else is some bullshyt that folks is just using for their own agenda, like that red font nxgga is doing.
This some cap . I ain’t got time for the back and forth and I’m cool with you but cap . It is what it isKD was the calming stabilizer to Westbrook's erratic play, and Westbrook was the aggressor, making sure the team kept the mental edge and dictated the pace to KD's passive and indifferent play. That's why they did have the success they did; they were the yin/yang. It's easier to blame Westbrook for what he did wrong because his play is more jarring, but don't make the mistake thinking that KD's inability at times to get going and break down the defense didn't somehow have a similar effect.
Yeah since when was KD's play blameless? I distinctly remember KD in an elimination game with Russ in like 2016 or 2017 just not being aggressive at all. He was shooting badly and just decided to play passive and they lost for it.
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Look at my initial comment. I said KD definitely had his fair share of stinkers. I was just pushing back on the picture that this current Westbrook is far different from the one KD played with. I’m a Russ fan but I’ve been consistent with saying he’s a two edged sword. My biggest criticisms of KD come from his interactions with Russ and you actually alluded to it. He would let Russ dictate at times and get too passive which is a fault of KD and his “leadership” style but also just a product of Russ’s ultra aggressive style and demeanor. I’m not convinced anyone can reel Russ in. I’m trying to see if even Lebron can this year. This thread probably leans to far on shouting on Russ but he is definitely a difficult dude to play with
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people been saying KD is one of the best... his height and mobility make him an almost impossible guard
on OKC he was mostly keeping pace, and then Westbrook would ice him out at the end of games... then he would still sometimes miraculously save the game at the buzzer
we went years with people trying to make Durant shyt on Westbrook and he wouldnt
he just got the fukk up outta there instead of arguing
the moves he made or whatever can be judged seperately, but its facts that KD is too long and crafty to be guarded. You need a broom to stop dude in most cases
Andre Roberson got paid like 3 years straight without even playing, that dude fukked the franchise. But Durant 100% wanted to get away from Westbrook... you'd need a miracle for him to finish games. Those Miami and OKC finals matches were actually amazing basketball on both sides.
people been saying KD is one of the best... his height and mobility make him an almost impossible guard
on OKC he was mostly keeping pace, and then Westbrook would ice him out at the end of games... then he would still sometimes miraculously save the game at the buzzer
we went years with people trying to make Durant shyt on Westbrook and he wouldnt
he just got the fukk up outta there instead of arguing
the moves he made or whatever can be judged seperately, but its facts that KD is too long and crafty to be guarded. You need a broom to stop dude in most cases
Andre Roberson got paid like 3 years straight without even playing, that dude fukked the franchise. But Durant 100% wanted to get away from Westbrook... you'd need a miracle for him to finish games. Those Miami and OKC finals matches were actually amazing basketball on both sides.