Is "Catching the Holy Ghost" just attention whoring?

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the power of the HG is such a beautiful thing.
 

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I've meditated to the point where I started wavering and what not. You can still your being to a point where you feel the more subtle energies of your body. We can get into sweat lodges and shamanism, chants, deep mediation and stuff like that. You don't need a religion or a Holy Order to be one with Spirit, God, etc. A medium, someone more enlightened that you, a teacher, yes.

The church will usually denounce these practices while they take your money though. Charlatans.

I was going to create a thread about my experiences but it's sooo much that I want to address and put out there. These false prophets and their followers are making a mockery of the people and the original intent of Christianity. I would ask questions and receive dirty looks. I wouldn't participate in tithing, singing, and all that hollering and the Pastor would do and say things to intimidate me into joining in. He was so concerned by me not shouting that he would make it a point to mention from the pulpit that "in my church, we scream and shout for our Savior. If you not screaming and shouting, then we're not worshipping the same God." :stopitslime: nikka please, you're just a former drug dealer who found The Church as a legal, nontaxable hustle. I'm from the streets myself so game recognize game.

Just as you stated, we don't need to be subjected to that. We can find God on our time in the comfort of our own home. Those people just want to be a part of something. Many of them had messed up lives as whores, drug addicts, dealers, convicts, thieves, losers etc. They need hope, a positive outlook but ended up with the wolves. :lolbron:
 

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And these damn sheep have no problem lining these fraud's pockets with millions. Absolutely sickening.
I'm not mad at the fraud guy. At some point you gotta blame the gullibility of the followers.

If I didn't have hang-ups about just cheating people, I'd be a preacher YESTERDAY.
 

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Oh really?

If its real, then we should be able to measure it.

What are the units of measurement of the holy ghost? :leostare:
There is a spirit of God called discernment .

if you read the Bible and understand the oracles of God and avail yourself to Yahweh, he will grant you your wish.
 

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I was going to create a thread about my experiences but it's sooo much that I want to address and put out there. These false prophets and their followers are making a mockery of the people and the original intent of Christianity. I would ask questions and receive dirty looks. I wouldn't participate in tithing, singing, and all that hollering and the Pastor would do and say things to intimidate me into joining in. He was so concerned by me not shouting that he would make it a point to mention from the pulpit that "in my church, we scream and shout for our Savior. If you not screaming and shouting, then we're not worshipping the same God." :stopitslime: nikka please, you're just a former drug dealer who found The Church as a legal, nontaxable hustle. I'm from the streets myself so game recognize game.

Just as you stated, we don't need to be subjected to that. We can find God on our time in the comfort of our own home. Those people just want to be a part of something. They need hope, a positive outlook but ended up with the wolves. :lolbron:
if you're acknowledging "real christianity" as if you're more clued into a notion that everyone else has it wrong, you've already lost.

Yeah. People use religion for their own aims.

What about confirming the central notinos though? Is such a belief even warranted? Does that deity even exist? And even further, is it worth trying to say that such a deity had a rule book given to THESE people in THIS part of the world in THIS version.

You have a lot of assumptions you're taking without addressing the root of your argument.
 

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spiritual dancing doesn't mean they were doing anything.

its like clapping. Its physical affirmation of a group's acknowledgement, but it doesn't mean they were actually connected to something.

We are both speaking from lack of personal experience on the matter. Schrodinger's Cat. One of us has to open the box.

In my experience with meditation, lucid dreaming, and things of that nature. I believe it would be possible to induce spritual states. Considering tribes are said to dance for hours, sometimes under the effects of psychedelic teas, or to the point of exhaustion when hallucinations are said to occur. We havn't been to the depths they have been too. How are we to say what another experience or does not experience?

I question the intensity and depth of these practices.
 

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There is a spirit of God called discernment .

if you read the Bible and understand the oracles of God and avail yourself to Yahweh, he will grant you your wish.

Miss me with all this wanna-be christian-pseudointellectual bullshyt.

"herp derp, spirit of god ...blah blah derp...discernment"

fukk outta here. :camby:

You're babbling shyt out of a christian pamphlet that is devoid of anything. You're not saying anything.

I like how all ya'll can say is "well you just don't understand it"

Nah nikka. Thats not how this shyt works.

I asked YOU to explain it and how it can be measured.

Then you come in here saying "well you just don't understand the oracles of god"...without explaining whether or not this god exists IN THIS TRADITION, with THIS BOOK, and with THIS XYZ...its a series of flawed assumptions and you haven't even gotten around to solving the first ones.
 

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God is not making anyone act foolish or disorderly, most people doing over the top shyt is for show. Even true emotional responses to God bringing something to your remembrance, is still not God forcing a certain reaction out of you. It's like tears rolling down your cheek when you think of or hear about something heartbreaking that directly affects you. You may not have intended on crying, but you did as a natural physical/emotional response to a piece of information.

That's the best way I could describe a genuine reaction to the Holy Spirit affecting a Christian. Many people have internal reactions(heart racing, chills, goosebumps) without much of an outwardly display. All that Benny Hinn stuff is masterpiece theatre and quite shameful & hilarious at the same time.
 

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I was going to create a thread about my experiences but it's sooo much that I want to address and put out there. These false prophets and their followers are making a mockery of the people and the original intent of Christianity. I would ask questions and receive dirty looks. I wouldn't participate in tithing, singing, and all that hollering and the Pastor would do and say things to intimidate me into joining in. He was so concerned by me not shouting that he would make it a point to mention from the pulpit that "in my church, we scream and shout for our Savior. If you not screaming and shouting, then we're not worshipping the same God." :stopitslime: nikka please, you're just a former drug dealer who found The Church as a legal, nontaxable hustle. I'm from the streets myself so game recognize game.

Just as you stated, we don't need to be subjected to that. We can find God on our time in the comfort of our own home. Those people just want to be a part of something. Many of them had messed up lives as whores, drug addicts, dealers, convicts, thieves, losers etc. They need hope, a positive outlook but ended up with the wolves. :lolbron:

So demonic, friend. There is a special place in Hell for these Heretic Demons :demonic:
 

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We are both speaking from lack of personal experience on the matter. Schrodinger's Cat. One of us has to open the box.

Nice misquote of an experiment you don't understand.

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you haven't substantiated your argument.

YOU are speaking from a lack of personal experience, especially since you can't back up your own assertions.

In my experience with meditation, lucid dreaming, and things of that nature. I believe it would be possible to induce spritual states.
What you believe has nothing to do with what can be proven and moreover, what actually exists or is possible.

Considering tribes are said to dance for hours, sometimes under the effects of psychedelic teas, or to the point of exhaustion when hallucinations are said to occur.
Changing the brains chemical nature doesn't mean you're therefore clued into something you weren't aware of. You're not experiencing anything else externally. Your experience merely changes.

We havn't been to the depths they have been too. How are we to say what another experience or does not experience?

BURDEN OF PROOF.

I question the intensity and depth of these practices.

You sure you really do? Because it sounds to me like you've accepted shyt you haven't proven and are equating your speculation with the efforts of hypothesis/testing/evaluation/verification.
 

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God is not making anyone act foolish or disorderly, most people doing over the top shyt is for show. Even true emotional responses to God bringing something to your remembrance, is still not God forcing a certain reaction out of you. It's like tears rolling down your cheek when you think of or hear about something heartbreaking that directly affects you. You may not have intended on crying, but you did as a natural physical/emotional response to a piece of information.

That's the best way I could describe a genuine reaction to the Holy Spirit affecting a Christian. Many people have internal reactions(heart racing, chills, goosebumps) without much of an outwardly display. All that Benny Hinn stuff is masterpiece theatre and quite shameful & hilarious at the same time.

Funny how you act like YOU CLAIM TO KNOW what your god thinks.

I also love how you act like god is present but are still equating these experiences to emotional triggers...so which is it? One or the other.
 

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i dunno, my granny used to catch the holy ghost all the time. one time she was so into it she popped me in the eye. we was at a revival out of town. i couldnt do nothing but sit there and hold my eye.
 
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