Is Ginobili top 10 SG of all time?

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Could you imagine what Tmac/Vince would do playing against a teams second unit :wow:. Vince was putting up 26/6/4 in his second year in the league. People forget how hard it is to be a first option and not having the luxury of playing off the GOAT power forward
 
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Ginobili's column on his future. Good read.

SAN ANTONIO The first 48 hours are usually complicated, then one begins to digest what happened and win in tranquility. The whole body begins to release tension and sleep better. Now I can analyze what we did not play very well. We had a couple of good games, but the issue is that we played against a great team and one of the greatest difficulties we usually generates. It was a parejísima series, it could have gone either way and touched to them. It is a disappointment, because you have high expectations, because even though we finished in sixth place we saw with chances. No one felt it was much better than us, indeed with the Clippers he was. In Houston we were to win the last two games; should move forward, if we had to Golden State, we are a team that plays pretty well ... I'm not saying sure we reached the end, but we had chances to fight. Sometimes this happens and when it happens is better come now and not a June 20 seven playing a final. It hurt less that way.

I forbade my wife put a match, at least until you do the appropriate mourning. I do not want to look, it still hurts if I look. I do not know if it's a bit of arrogance, selfishness? It is as hard for me not to see us there, you always have confidence and think we should have had a chance. So until I can not spend a little, I prefer to isolate. After a season of so much demand, both video and video, it's like they say "enough, I want to release a little headache." I'm not looking at anything, I saw the result but nothing more.

I know many are awaiting what will happen with my career. The truth is that I am grateful for all the words of appreciation and affection that approached me. While I am not someone who reads both, I saw one nice comments that make you feel good. They can tell you to play one more year, you're still good ... but that's out there, beyond whether or not I can. It's how you feel or how much it costs to assemble the purse to go to each of the cities or play five games in a week. Or play 85 games in 165 days. So it's a time of uncertainty.

There are times that season review and tell me how I'm not going to play some more and there are moments when I do not want to see a ball even close. I'll wait for this month and see how I feel. If I feel like a former player or not. I begin to wonder if or how my body feels. It is a unique moment, I've never been in this situation. I thought briefly in 2013, but a week or 10 days knew I wanted to take another challenge and that was not the point. Now let's see, maybe now is the same or more difficult for me and I have to wait longer. So I'll see calmly what I do, because there are decisions you have to make hurry.

Today I do not feel that there is a right decision, whatever it may be. You never know if it's good or not. Because it is a unique situation, because no one can tell you what to do. Because yes, there are a lot of former players who went through this time and so on, but each has its experience with different family moments, with particular physical realities with computer projections? Stop doing what you did 100% of your adult life is a unique moment, which gives a lot of uncertainty. Sure I have tried retirement, because you have a moment of doubt, because at times I think it's time and others not. I remember that when the time came to my brother, Toad, he was 39, started the season and felt he could not face it, it had better digested. I have definitely many more questions, but in general I think most all situations and things. So I want to give a time.

Pop said he wanted us to Tim and me in next season. They are words that make me the most difficult things. The truth is that if the franchise had said they did not want me or it was time to rebuild and wanted a younger team, I would have greatly facilitated the task. You may have done a little hurt because even though one is on the ledge, falling just want to not give you the push. So he had hurt a little but it had facilitated the decision. He went backwards, these words help you in the emotional, in confidence, feeling, but I'm not in a time when I need the job. Bypasses feel that if I want to follow, but if you really define feel like doing and get into all this bustle.

In the team meeting I had a couple of nice conversations with Pop and Tim, because we are the ones who are in this particular situation a little, but what he said Pop has made clear what his idea. Well ... Tim chatted with some of the possibilities and it's like we're on the same page saying we want to wait a little. We need time, see what happens, how we feel, what our families say. Our body is not the same, though in his case it is not noticeable. But other things start to happen mind.

Today it's time to be with family at 100%. Many told me the determination I have to take it and she will accompany me on what you decide. That seems right to him to do. So I left it more complicated, I thought it was going to be a team decision. So I go debating what to do as the days go by and go pulling ideas ... and see you again. She'll be happy with what determines if it makes me happy.

I do not feel that San Antonio can feel a blow by the departure of some of us. If I were preparing a total reconstruction ... it comes and goes Pop another coach Tim retires, Tony does not play anymore. That would change the situation much. I understand it's time to change things on the computer, or the appearance of the whole and understandably so. But if Pop continues and Tim can follow, everything is different. Because one would have less commitment to colleagues and everything. I guess we'll have a little talk with Tim, who seems to be on the same ledge as me. We'll see where the wind blows.

http://canchallena.lanacion.com.ar/1790350-no-tengo-procesado-el-retiro
 

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Even Manu looking away in disgust at this question
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Talking about Ginobli's four titles in your argument shows just how stupid the "rings" argument is.

How many titles does he have if he's not on Duncan's teams? Do you know if he'd have any at all? So why the heck does "got to play with Duncan and Pop" means "must be top-10 SG of all time"?
 

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Only non 2 guard on that list was Oscar Robertson
Iverson was 6 ft and played point the majority of the time..

And tmac played the 3

Also lot of those nikkas played in an era when tv wasn't invented yet..to add them to this conversation is disingenuous
 

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Iverson was 6 ft and played point the majority of the time..

And tmac played the 3

Also lot of those nikkas played in an era when tv wasn't invented yet..to add them to this conversation is disingenuous

:beli: Iverson was a SG. Only time he played point was his rookie year. Eric snow was stating at point during his tenure in Philly

T Mac played the majority of his career at 2. Mike Miller was the starting 3 in Orlando and Shane baiter was the 3 in Houston
 

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Jordan
Kobe
Logo
Wade
The Glyde
AI
Iceman
The Pearl
Hal Greer
Sam Jones
Vinsainty
T Mac
Reggie
Jesus Shuttlesworth
Joe D
Mitch Richmond
Bill Sharman




Hybrid guards/forwards:

Big O
John Havlicek
Pistol Pete
G Hill
Chris Mullin
Gail Goodrich
Fat Lever
World B Free

Debatable:

Steve Smith
Joe Johnson
Spree
Jo Jo White
Alvin Robertson
Jerry Sloan
Jeff Hornacek
Eddie Jones
Rolando Blackman
Stack
Rip
Michael Finely
Alan Houston
Paul Westphal

Players who won't go down as better because of injury/drugs/death:

Penny
Sidney Moncrief
Boston Strangler
David "Skywalker" Thompson
Michael Ray Richardson
Drazen Petrovic
Michael Redd
Breh put down all the starting SGs since 1940


Props on giving my man Fin dog a shoutout. He's the reason I started watching the game:wow:
 
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