Is it wrong to say tupac is as good as an artist as michael jackson

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By all measures, MJ's music wasn't all that, and Pac was god status after he got out of jail, lets not get it twisted

MJ has multiple classics and multiple hits that transcend genres. He is a top 5 iconic music artist of all time, maybe top 3. That's why this whole premise is fukking stupid. Pac is just not in the same arena and his career wasn't nearly as long. I'm not mad at cats for preferring Pac's music, I do too, but to say that Pac was a better artist is just :duck: In fact, no rapper period is touching MJ.
 

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MJ is overrated by what measure? 2Pac got elevated to god-like icon status after he died but MJ had that while he was still here.

MJ started out before Pac was in Afeni's womb locked up.

MJ was working with Quincy Jones which can't be emphasized enough. A Beatle decided to lend his hand to collaborate on a god awful song. After his peak he decided to date Elvis's daughter, have white kids, and gone through a number of questionable cosmetic procedures to distance himself from his heritage.

Pac was around for a few years and made such an impact, pre or post death, that there's murals of him in third world countries.

If Pop's your thing, do you, but there's art and then there's performance. There's also Micheal Jackson fan forums.

It's all subjective. There's no right answer. Personally, besides a few exceptional albums, I don't like intentional Pop made music. So, if you're the type of dude that'll take Smooth Criminal over Hail Mary then maybe you're not posting in the right sub forum or the right forum at all.
 

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MJ started out before Pac was in Afeni's womb locked up.

MJ was working with Quincy Jones which can't be emphasized enough. A Beatle decided to lend his hand to collaborate on a god awful song. After his peak he decided to date Elvis's daughter, have white kids, and gone through a number of questionable cosmetic procedures to distance himself from his heritage.

Pac was around for a few years and made such an impact, pre or post death, that there's murals of him in third world countries.

If Pop's your thing, do you, but there's art and then there's performance. There's also Micheal Jackson fan forums.

Again, that's why I said that it's a dumb argument. You can't compare MJ to Pac because they just aren't in the same arena. There's MJ murals all across the world too plus his death sent shockwaves across the world. People were literally killing themselves after he died. I'm not a huge MJ fan like that so I'm not even biased here, but it is what it is. MJ and 2Pac just aren't comparable like that. I'm not shytting on Pac but it's the truth.
 
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If Pop's your thing, do you, but there's art and then there's performance. There's also Micheal Jackson fan forums

Michael was more than just a performer. Yes he did have Quincy, but he was definitely a visionary. He beat boxed the sounds from his head onto a recorder. Quincy was there to help polish up Michael`s ideas. If it was all Quincy, Billy Jean wouldn't have existed because he didn't like the idea of it.

A lot of people see Michael and they think king of pop( he didn't even create that term), moonwalk, and thriller, but dude was an artist. I think he gets overlooked in that aspect. He wasn't just a product of the people around him.
 

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By that logic, Mike is inferior to Elvis and the Beatles.

Neither of which had a Quincy Jones.

I never listened to Elvis or the Beatles, so I can't even speak on that plus they're not relevant to the discussion. It's about Pac and MJ. Quincy Jones might've boosted MJ but MJ was still writing and had his hands in his projects creativity wise. The talent was still there. This shyt just boils down to what you like. Even in the other thread, I said I'd listen to Pac's discography for the rest of my life over MJs, but that doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that MJ is the superior artist.
 

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Tupac was local MJ was global. Numbers don't lie.
statues in germany, militant groups in Liberia and Congo using Pac to fuel their movements, murals in brazil, etc :mjlol:it took Pac 5 years to do that.
 

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Again, that's why I said that it's a dumb argument. You can't compare MJ to Pac because they just aren't in the same arena. There's MJ murals all across the world too plus his death sent shockwaves across the world. People were literally killing themselves after he died. I'm not a huge MJ fan like that so I'm not even biased here, but it is what it is. MJ and 2Pac just aren't comparable like that. I'm not shytting on Pac but it's the truth.

Then we made similiar points.

Not identical and there's definitely some disagreement there, but be careful how you define truth.
 
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