Is there a scoring flu going round in the NBA?

[itsyoung!!]

Michael Adams being an all-star at 5'11" with his skill set doesn't help your case.

Dawg had a wack-ass jump shot, terrible form on layups, no strength, no hops....and still averaged 27ppg one year in those "tough" 1990s.





I had to time stamp this play though, this is just too much.



And how people talking about dribbling moves when Michael Adams carried the shyt out of the ball all the time?


Imagine what Kyrie would have done to THOSE defenders.

you use this as an example when we had 5'8 isiah thomas just get near 30 ppg just few years ago ? interesting was also an all star that year if i remember correctly

 

[Da King]

Why do teams even pretend to play defense anymore?

 

[bigde09]

Michael Adams being an all-star at 5'11" with his skill set doesn't help your case.

Dawg had a wack-ass jump shot, terrible form on layups, no strength, no hops....and still averaged 27ppg one year in those "tough" 1990s.





I had to time stamp this play though, this is just too much.



And how people talking about dribbling moves when Michael Adams carried the shyt out of the ball all the time?


Imagine what Kyrie would have done to THOSE defenders.

Jordan and his era lives rent free appreciate all eras of the game if you really a fan.

 

[itsyoung!!]

Okay bro it was a random name. Chill

I do believe that is the entire point..

 

[CHICAGO]

So it's okay to dismiss the NBA due to one game by Josh Hart against one of the worst defenses in the NBA but we can't mention an entire season by Michael Adams.


Michael Adams is easy to point out because he didn't have a long career so he doesn't have the mythical nostalgia aura built up around him that every other 1990s player got. It would be less popular if I pointed out that Chris Mullin had the exact same skill set that Josh Hart has and rode it to 5 straight seasons averaging 25+ ppg in the 1990s.

1. YOU SOUND SILLY ASS HELL.

2. CHRIS MULLINS COMPARISON
WOULD BE KLAY THOMPSON
WITH BETTER 1 ON 1 ABILITY.

3. YOU PICKED ANOTHER
GIMMICK TEAM WHO
PLAYED FASTER THAN EVERYBODY,
SCORED MORE THAN EVERYBODY,
AND GAVE UP MORE PTS
THAN EVERYBODY.

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[Professor Emeritus]

HE SCORED 26 PPG ON 39% FROM THE FIELD


WOULDA BEEN 49% IN TODAYS GAME

How the fukk would he have averaged 49% from the field at 5'10" with a wack layup package and ugly jumper?

A 5'10" 165lb player with that skill set would never have made the NBA in this era.

HE COULDNT SHOOT BUT AVERAGED 85% FROM THE LINE ON HIS CAREER

DO BETTER

He couldn't even shoot free throws straight-on, he had to shoot from the side of the key.



If you were actually a baller like you claim to be then you'd know that players can make any sort of wack free throw at a high % if they practice it enough. But bad shooting form kills you in gameplay where you can't replicate the exact same footing and release every time. That jerky falling-forward one-handed shot was inconsistent as fukk and he couldn't get it off unless he was wide open, which is why he shot just 33% from 3pt for his career and was ass efficiency from the field in general even in an era where they didn't guard the 3pt as closely as they do now.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you use this as an example when we had 5'8 isiah thomas just get near 30 ppg just few years ago ? interesting was also an all star that year if i remember correctly

IT was MUCH stronger and more athletic than Michael Adams (outweighed him by nearly 30 pounds and it was all muscle) and had MUCH better shooting form and ability to get off a clean shot. Yet the entire offensive scheme had to revolve around getting IT open (similar to what they did for Trae).

And still, what happened to IT once he got an injury and lost a little bit of his athleticism? Suddenly he couldn't even stay in the league.

If you can watch this video and think Michael Adams is on his level then you should just bow out of the conversation.

 

[lib123]

After all of last year’s pivotal injuries, seems like more players are saving their bodies on defense for the playoffs.

 

[MJ Truth]

Who is Michael Adams and Willie Burton?

Michael Adams was an All Star level player breh.

 

[Pressure]

That new ball

 

[GOAT]

Old people having a midlife crisis in real time watching these young nikkas prosper

 

[Professor Emeritus]

ZONE D MAKES ISH EASIER ON THE OFFENSE. U GIVE UP THE JUMPSHOT WIT ZONE, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY HOW MOST PLAYERS SCORE IN TODAYS GAME

THERE WAS NO DEFENSIVE 3 SECONDS PRE 01

You didn't even realize these two claims cancel each other out.

How can you claim the lack of defensive 3 seconds would be helpful unless you're giving up jump shots?


And if zone defense makes shyt easier on the offense, then they would simply stop doing it. Most players score on jump shots in today's game because they HAVE to, because zone defenses neutralize iso and post play and cut off driving lanes too easily unless you have a bunch of jump shooters to open up the court.

OF COURSE THERE WAS DOUBLE TEAMING.. WHERE TF DID U GET THIS? DOUBLE TEAMING THE PAINT WAS EVEN EASIER BEFORE THE RULE CHANGE

No, because you weren't allowed to be in the paint unless your man was in the paint and you weren't allowed to double off-ball. You could only double the paint if you stayed on you man until the other guy got the ball and then committed completely to the double. It added a delay time that made shyt way easier and it made it more risky to double because you left you guy wide open (and the other defenders couldn't hedge towards them), which is why guys like McHale and Barkley could take their time developing a slow-ass play on the block against a helpless defender.

Even when they did throw the double as quick as possible, it was usually ineffective. Here's an elite high IQ team who would win the title (the 1984 Celtics) trying to defend against truck driver Jeff Ruland. Despite the fact that he's slow as fukk with no elevation and no range outside 8 feet, they pretty much feel helpless against Ruland one-on-one and throw the double-team immediately every time a pass comes in. His teammates don't help by giving him zero spacing. And yet he scores over and over again because the weak-ass doubles are out of position almost every time.




Here's another example of out hard it could be to double back then. 6'6" Michael Jordan is backing down 5'3" Muggsy Bogues. They clear out that side and Muggsy is totally helpless. They don't want to double because they have to go too far. So they have to leave Muggsy on an island against a player 15" taller than himself, though surprisingly he makes an elite play and strips MJ.....only for illegal defense to be called because the defenders were hedging into the key too long.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

CHRIS MULLINS COMPARISON
WOULD BE KLAY THOMPSON
WITH BETTER 1 ON 1 ABILITY.
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If you think Chris Mullin's shooting ability was in the same stratosphere as Klay Thompson.

Mullin's 3pt% before they shortened the line was 34.8% for his career, and the vast majority of those shots were wide open because they weren't guarding a small forward shooting all the way out there. Two of the years he scored 25+ ppg he shot 23% from 3pt and 30% from 3pt. Klay Thompson is a better shooter with a defender all the way in his grill than Mullin was wide open.

 

[CHICAGO]

If you think Chris Mullin's shooting ability was in the same stratosphere as Klay Thompson.

Mullin's 3pt% before they shortened the line was 34.8% for his career, and the vast majority of those shots were wide open because they weren't guarding a small forward shooting all the way out there. Two of the years he scored 25+ ppg he shot 23% from 3pt and 30% from 3pt. Klay Thompson is a better shooter with a defender all the way in his grill than Mullin was wide open.

KLAY THOMPSON HAS
BEEN SHOOTING THREES
ALL HIS LIFE.

DO YOU DENSE nikkaS
REALIZE MOST PLAYERS
FROM THE 80S NEVER PLAYED
WITH ANY TYPE OF 3P LINE
AT ANY LEVEL
UNTIL THEY ENTERED THE NBA?

YOURE TAKING PERCENTAGES
FROM A RELATIVELY NEW SHOT
AND COMPARING THEM TO
PLAYERS PERCENTAGES 30 YRS LATER.

ANYONE WITH 2 EYES
KNOWS MULLIN WAS A PURE SHOOTER.

THIS fukkING
TROLL HAD THE GALL
TO MENTION 25/30% SEASONS
AND IGNORE THE 37, 37, 45% SEASONS
BEFORE THE LINE WAS SHORTENED
AND THE 44, 47, 41 & 37%
SEASONS HE HAD WHEN THE LINE
WAS RETURNED TO NORMAL.

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[Professor Emeritus]

KLAY THOMPSON HAS
BEEN SHOOTING THREES
ALL HIS LIFE.

DO YOU DENSE nikkaS
REALIZE MOST PLAYERS
FROM THE 80S NEVER PLAYED
WITH ANY TYPE OF 3P LINE
AT ANY LEVEL
UNTIL THEY ENTERED THE NBA?
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I'm talking about the players as they were, not some mythical version of the player that exists in a different reality.

The question is whether today's players could have put up these numbers against THAT defense. Mullin didn't put up 25+ ppg by shooting threes like Klay Thompson. He was mediocre to poor on threes and put up those numbers anyway.

THIS fukkING
TROLL HAD THE GALL
TO MENTION 25/30% SEASONS
AND IGNORE THE 37, 37, 45% SEASONS
BEFORE THE LINE WAS SHORTENED
AND THE 44, 47, 41 & 37%
SEASONS HE HAD WHEN THE LINE
WAS RETURNED TO NORMAL.

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I'm the troll when most the #'s you quoted had NOTHING to do with his 25 ppg scoring seasons?

I already put up his % before they shortened the line - 34.8% from 3pt. And ALL of his 25 ppg seasons were during that period, including the ones where he shot 23% and 30%. Yes he managed 45% one season as an outlier, the other two were 36% and 37%.

And as I already pointed out, when he took a 3pt shot it was almost always an open shot. He wasn't getting those %'s with anything like the defense Klay faces.


Once again, the question was whether today's players would do better or worse against that 1990s defense. If Chris Mullin could have a 27ppg season while shooting the 3pt like shyt, doesn't that mean he could easily have had 35ppg or more if he shot the 3pt like Klay Thompson does?