Isiah killin Pippen and Shaq shyttin on Georgetown centers on Open Court
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Actually could get on board with that since he's one of the greatest floor generals ever and the team went from a bottom tier offense to best in the league with his addition. The issue came when people argued he was more valuable to a teams success than Kobe, Dirk or Garnett, which is insane.
Problem I have with Rose/Iverson's narratives is that they were given all the credit for the success of their teams who were "miraculously" winning games despite having little to no talent around them. Little to no mention that the Bulls had one of the best defenses of the modern era + top 2 in rebounding at the time and those 76ers played great D as well. Neither Rose or Iverson were anchors or high impact contributors to the efforts of their respective defenses, who would've still been great without them on the team.
I don't see how any of that about Iverson has to do with him being the best player in the league though. Not a matter of social/organization issues or being out of position, Shaq was straight up the most dominant player in the game from '00-02 with his only remote competition being Tim Duncan who (arguably) overtook him in '03, not Iverson.
This organization "welled in purposeful mediocrity" fielded one of the best defenses of the modern era of basketball thanks to the brilliance of Tom Thibodeau. You cannot mention the success of that Bulls team without referencing the actual best performing unit on the squad by a huge margin, the defense. Which Rose did not have significant influence over. Unlike LBJ or Dwight who both anchored their respective teams defensively while providing significant offensive impact. Rose had a ton of support on that squad, and its because of that support that he was able to win MVP to begin with (team record). He did a good job taking an otherwise subpar offensive cast and lifting it to slightly above average levels, but he didn't actually lead the best performing unit on the squad so this talk of "carrying" gets ridiculous. You don't win that many games in this league without help. Not even Kobe could do that in '06 & '07, neither could Wade in his peak season '09 or McGrady in '03.
I'm not even being negative about their MVP's here, but saying that if you're going to knock Nash for not being deserving of the award b/c he wasn't the best in the league why not those two? B/c they weren't close to that either. I don't even think Rose was a top 4 player that year.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Give busters more credit than the guy putting wind beneath their sails to have the confidence to execute.
Rose and ivo were the best that year and if they were not there.
There is no other player on that roster who could have helped them be formidable.
Art Barr
The dirty secret of all this is... Nash was kinda ahead of his time. It happened at the end of his career, so he didn't have the same kind of longevity with big numbers that he should have... but you look at how teams are playing now, offenses being focused from the outside-in, looking to free up as many open 3's as possible... that is BUILT for him. if he entered the league ten years later, he'd have put up massive numbers for a decade.
Steph Curry is obviously a better player... but the style comparison, and the success he's having with his skillset shows that Nash would be doing huge numbers right now, and making dudes furious.
You have to play the game that exists... all of this "who i'd take on the blacktop" shyt is cool... but nba games aren't played on the blacktop. Which is why curry is the best point guard in the world right now, even though a lot of old heads probably think Payton or Zeke or whomever would hand him his ass.
Steph Curry is obviously a better player... but the style comparison, and the success he's having with his skillset shows that Nash would be doing huge numbers right now, and making dudes furious.
You have to play the game that exists... all of this "who i'd take on the blacktop" shyt is cool... but nba games aren't played on the blacktop. Which is why curry is the best point guard in the world right now, even though a lot of old heads probably think Payton or Zeke or whomever would hand him his ass.
LV Koopa
Jester from Hell
Cats love to shyt on Nash and D'Antoni but don't realize they pretty much created the modern league (and Don Nelson too). Usually you can tell who didn't watch shyt in that era by what they say about the Suns and MVPs.
Some real actual knowledge being dropped in here
Some real actual knowledge being dropped in here
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
I wish they would have gone more in depth about grant.
We really missed out on the last class act of a visible gentleman when grant was lost to injury.
Not to mention a classy pedigree top black guy, who does not get his proper credit.
Art Barr
We really missed out on the last class act of a visible gentleman when grant was lost to injury.
Not to mention a classy pedigree top black guy, who does not get his proper credit.
Art Barr
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East Is In The House OMG
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
No Karl Malone gave him that work...that elbow
Zeke still wants to see Malone for the fade this day even
, he ethers Pippen and Malone on the Mic any chance he gets. I'm sure if they had either on the panel as a guest fist would fly.OG Talk
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Open Court might be my second favorite show all time behind The Wire..shyt let's me relive my child hood and look behind the curtain of my heroes lives.
The NFL needs to do one (as long as Rich Eisen doesn't moderate.)
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
The comments by the Open Court guys werent shytting on Nash though.
If anything, it praised how great a guy like Jason Kidd was.
AlbertPullhoez
The Takeover
Pippen used to get bytched out and beat up against the Pistons constantly and Isiah knew this. Ole migraine before Game 7 head ass, you know Isiah was downright 
up there lmao
That shyt was pure comedy he cant stand that nikka
That's why Isiah the GOAT PG hands down.
up there lmaoThat shyt was pure comedy he cant stand that nikka
That's why Isiah the GOAT PG hands down.
has anyone brought up Shaq talking about averaging 28-15 when nash won those 2 mvps 
in 05 he was still top 5, but 06 he fell off a fukkin cliff
"I was still giving them 28-15 when nash stole my mvps"
jplaya "
" "This nikka lying his ass off and no one saying shyt about it
in 05 he was still top 5, but 06 he fell off a fukkin cliff
"I was still giving them 28-15 when nash stole my mvps"jplaya "
" "This nikka lying his ass off and no one saying shyt about itVery true, Zeke's 1st few years the pistons were run and gun. Chuck Daly came and changed the entire pace and playstyle of the team. They made great draft choices, and good trades and got good talent. the bulls wasted MJs first 3 seasons with players like washed gervin, orlando woolrdige, mustache john paxon, brad sellers etc.. Oakley was a solid pick, but it wasn't until 87 when they traded for pippen and drafted horace did things start to get turned around
I mean, he did though.
