Jalen Rose Says Steph Needs Another Ring to Catch IT

[Art Barr]

The Warriors playoffs run is much better than the Pistons. They have more historical moments than Pistons.

Curry playoffs resume is more impressive than most Hall of Famers postseason stats. It's among the elite.
5 straight finals appearance while averaging 26.5 pts, 6.3 assists, and 5.4 rebs in the postseason. There's no other PG beside Magic that has a better playoff resume than Steph.

No
No.

The warriors would have gotten destroyed.
by the celtics the pistons laimbeer formulated the most brilliant counter psychological racist mind game in sports to thwart the celtics. By confusing the referees with white on white violence on bird.
That left the entire dynamic of the celts having the refs in their pocket because of bird out the window. As laimbeer is a silver spoon from chicago's most affluent burb and a notre dame guy. Who looked at bird as a hick and somehow laimbeer imposed his will. On the entire series and changed rhe entire dominance of rhe celts in the nba moving forward aftwr bias died. Forever changing potentially what should have been continued consistent celtics dominance in the kc jones era.

Literally the greatest villain in the history of black america domestic sports tv as an audience. Finally saw the villain get beat in the celtics. By an even bigger white thug cerebral led villain in the pistons and laimbeer. Who eventually had enough of the race factor setting the celtics ahead by proxy. Via rhe bird misappropriated goat argument from russell.
Laimbeer willed himself and the pistons by removing that advantage completely out the window. By institution of detroit bad boy basket ball before jordan rules and created the bird rules. Which should be spoke on more. Yet the white media will not talk about it because of the incendiary subjects at hand.

If not for the ineptitude of lebron james.
to trade away the best draft pedigreed prep backcourt in history and his second attempt.
at what would be his second failed four peat.
Plus an inability to ramp younger players.
Along with shirking his natural and natural leadership and mismatches nightly on paper.

We would not even be talking about steph.
Other than being the buffalo bills of this era in basketball.

Real real talk.
Jalen. Once again is all detroit cap.


Best point guards in nba hiatory frfr

1a oscar
1b magic
1c michael jordan : better than both steph and lebron at their naturals. Learn the nba history and facts and deal with it.




Art Barr

 

[murksiderock]

Zeke clearly one of the most overrated players ever, unquestionably. Steph passed this guy years ago...

You smoking the finest crack nikka.

No bullshyt, you can't objectively analyze or compare Kobe on this board. Michael Jordan is the only guy yall hear in comparison to Kobe that yall don't go nuts about...

I've literally seen Bron, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Kawhi, Durant all referenced as better than Kobe, at some point on here, and yall all give this incredulous reaction. Now add Steph to the list because since he's not Mike, there's absolutely no way he could be compared to Kobe, let alone better than...

My question is why would it be crazy to say Steph is better than Kobe?

Both guys won most of their titles as second options. Both guys have iconic influence on the sport. Both are faces of dynasties. Neither typically played at their best in The Finals (notwithstanding '09 and '17 being their best individual performances, both typically played better in earlier rounds). Both helped author legendary choke jobs.

There are several parallels...

Kobe's longevity keeps him ahead right now in my book but we not gonna sit here and act like there's some canyon between Kobe and Steph. Kobe also ran off that Comeback Kobe run that Steph as of yet has no parallel to, so that keeps Kobe ahead, too...

But each year Steph continues to extend his prime, and as/if he adds more playoff success, the gap closes on Kobe and other All-Timers, and it's already not a huge gap there. Steph is already, near consensus, a Top 20 All-Timer with room to climb. The recency of Kobe's death is still apparent in the bump he gets in people's minds; it'll balance back out in another two years or so. All things considered Kobe is justifiably a borderline Top 10 guy at worst and to most he is a Top 10 lock...

There's nothing Kobe can do to enhance his positioning. Pre-death it was pretty apparent that many people had Kobe in that 8-15 range. He passed, and without being able to do anything on the court to improve how he stands against other legends, now most consider him a Top 10 lock with many arguing for Top 5...

The perception of Kobe's work needed no juicing, he was Top 10-15 without it because he was that great, but cats gotta admit his story has taken on alot of myth and revising and given him a temporary boost in the public eye---->mythology and revisions that yall don't afford guys like Steph...

 

[Reggie]

Why does Steph need double the rings to surpass IT? He's already got one more than him and 2 MVP's with 2 scoring titles and a steals title as well as being a member of the 50/40/90 club. Not to mention being the GREATEST shooter EVER with as many All Nba selections as Zeke too. He's already surpassed him to most so i don't know what the hell Jalen Rose is talking about.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Zeke clearly one of the most overrated players ever, unquestionably. Steph passed this guy years ago...







No bullshyt, you can't objectively analyze or compare Kobe on this board. Michael Jordan is the only guy yall hear in comparison to Kobe that yall don't go nuts about...

I've literally seen Bron, Bird, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Duncan, Kawhi, Durant all referenced as better than Kobe, at some point on here, and yall all give this incredulous reaction. Now add Steph to the list because since he's not Mike, there's absolutely no way he could be compared to Kobe, let alone better than...

My question is why would it be crazy to say Steph is better than Kobe?

Both guys won most of their titles as second options. Both guys have iconic influence on the sport. Both are faces of dynasties. Neither typically played at their best in The Finals (notwithstanding '09 and '17 being their best individual performances, both typically played better in earlier rounds). Both helped author legendary choke jobs.

There are several parallels...

Kobe's longevity keeps him ahead right now in my book but we not gonna sit here and act like there's some canyon between Kobe and Steph. Kobe also ran off that Comeback Kobe run that Steph as of yet has no parallel to, so that keeps Kobe ahead, too...

But each year Steph continues to extend his prime, and as/if he adds more playoff success, the gap closes on Kobe and other All-Timers, and it's already not a huge gap there. Steph is already, near consensus, a Top 20 All-Timer with room to climb. The recency of Kobe's death is still apparent in the bump he gets in people's minds; it'll balance back out in another two years or so. All things considered Kobe is justifiably a borderline Top 10 guy at worst and to most he is a Top 10 lock...

There's nothing Kobe can do to enhance his positioning. Pre-death it was pretty apparent that many people had Kobe in that 8-15 range. He passed, and without being able to do anything on the court to improve how he stands against other legends, now most consider him a Top 10 lock with many arguing for Top 5...

The perception of Kobe's work needed no juicing, he was Top 10-15 without it because he was that great, but cats gotta admit his story has taken on alot of myth and revising and given him a temporary boost in the public eye---->mythology and revisions that yall don't afford guys like Steph...

Kobe won 5 rings. Two time Finals MVP. 9x All-NBA All-Defensive First team, 11x All-NBA all first team, 4th All-Time leading scorer NBA history. Am I missing something?

 

[god shamgod]

look another homer detroit fan saying biased dikkriding non sense

curry & cp3 BEEN better than zeke years ago

 

[ISO]

Biased Detroit nikka

Steph>>Isiah

 

[FS4LFE]

This thread and Jalen Rose’s comments are ring culture in a nutshell.

 

[28 Gramz]

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[Illuminatos]

He needs another ring to catch up to someone he has more rings than.

 

[murksiderock]

Kobe won 5 rings. Two time Finals MVP. 9x All-NBA All-Defensive First team, 11x All-NBA all first team, 4th All-Time leading scorer NBA history. Am I missing something?

In basketball circles its widely understood that Kobe's defense was sus, overrated, and he was favorably given All-D honors undeservingly in the second half of his career. So listing his defensive honors without actually talking about his defense is moot...

But sure, he was a better man defender than Steph...

Steph now has a run of longevity that many greats before him had, we're closing in on a decade of elite play. There's no one thing Kobe did that evolved the sport of basketball, so can we give Steph credit for that?

I already stated I still have Kobe ahead of Steph but my question was why is it necessary to act as if the opinion of Steph over Kobe is an insane one? Do you feel there's a wide gap between the two?

 

[Controversy]

Nah. Steph isn't on that level...

I do think that he's better than Kobe though.

Zeke better than Kobe?????

clown status

 

[Controversy]

In basketball circles its widely understood that Kobe's defense was sus, overrated, and he was favorably given All-D honors undeservingly in the second half of his career. So listing his defensive honors without actually talking about his defense is moot...

But sure, he was a better man defender than Steph...

Steph now has a run of longevity that many greats before him had, we're closing in on a decade of elite play. There's no one thing Kobe did that evolved the sport of basketball, so can we give Steph credit for that?

I already stated I still have Kobe ahead of Steph but my question was why is it necessary to act as if the opinion of Steph over Kobe is an insane one? Do you feel there's a wide gap between the two?

Kobe beat 24 FIFTY win teams in the playoffs...I think the next closest is MJ

If Kobe didn't tear his achilles, he'd be #1 all time scorer, #1 all time playoff scorer, and that's on top of everything else

 

[HabitualChiller]

Zeke better than Kobe?????

clown status

Steph*

 

[Rekkapryde]

I have Zeke 2nd myself.

Dude played against and beat LEGENDARY ALL TIME teams in the Celts and Lakers of the 80s.

 

[Controversy]

Steph*

Steph ain't better either

I think Steph is a top 15 to 20 player of all time, but there are levels

Kobe gave Mike & Scottie 33 at 19 yrs old...Kobe scored 40+ in 9 straight games...Kobe scored 62 in 3 qtrs...Kobe scored 50+ in 4 straight games...Kobe was closing playoff games at 21

Steph is a fantastic player, but he's not on Kobe's level...I have MJ & Kob as 1 & 2...as a hooper, I understand the skill it took to do what they do consistently

Teams drafted and signed Kobe stoppers to defend him...if that doesn't speak volumes, Idk what will