None of that has anything to do with being the better point guard. In all honesty, Steph is a 2 guard playing the point. Isiah was a better floor general. Steph is a greater offensive threat.
Jalen Rose Says Steph Needs Another Ring to Catch IT
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DoubleClutch
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explain why. I gave my reasoning why Stephen with another title would be in the same conversation as Lebron in terms of the “Jordan comparison” debates
if we were comparing Kobe after his 5th title to Jordan, why not Curry? especially if Curry gets a finals MVP
Curry has more Mvps. Curry has 2 scoring titles just like Kobe and is a more efficient scorer/better shooter. Curry is also a better passer/playmaker
Curry has better handles
Give Kobe the edge on defense and rebounds of course.
these comments aren’t crazy if you just use common sense and no bias
When you are a current player, "analysts" always try to craft a narrative that you have to win again.
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Steph Curry And Kobe Finals Stats | StatMuse
Steph got more points, assists, same rebounds on better FG%, 3PT% and FT% than Kobe.
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Agreed. Steph/Magic are in that tier that's above just about any player except for Jordan/Bron/KAJ
To me it's Jordan/Bron/KAJ......and then some combo of Steph/Wilt/Magic/Kobe/Shaq etc., then you get into the Duncan/KG/Dirk/Hakeem cats that may or may not be on that 2nd Tier depending on preference.
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explain why. I gave my reasoning why Stephen with another title would be in the same conversation as Lebron in terms of the “Jordan comparison” debates
if we were comparing Kobe after his 5th title to Jordan, why not Curry? especially if Curry gets a finals MVP
Curry has more Mvps. Curry has 2 scoring titles just like Kobe and is a more efficient scorer/better shooter. Curry is also a better passer/playmaker
Curry has better handles
Give Kobe the edge on defense and rebounds of course.
these comments aren’t crazy if you just use common sense and no bias
Steph can't get into a Jordan conversation because the Jordan range of player is about more than ring count...
Because yet again, if rings are the barometer by which players are judged, it ain't the Jordan tier anyway, it's the Russell tier, but we all know the ring count can't be the primary definer because not a single active poster on this board besides @Juggalo Fred has Russell as the GOAT...
So if the majority opinion is that Mike is most of yall's GOAT---cause he aint mine---,we know it can't be about titles, and if that's true, saying Steph has to reach a certain number of titles to reach Mike is illogical since Mike didn't have to reach a certain amount of titles to be in Russell's conversation...
Curry would have to go on an unprecedented run, he basically needs to hit the 3 titles-in-4 years run again or something like it. He already didn't walk in the door as a Day One phenom like Mike did, so he's playing from behind anyway. He doesn't have anywhere close to the individual accolades Mike has, he wasn't the best player for all his championships so he's playing from behind there, and more importantly, he doesn't have anywhere near the legacy of postseason domination Mike had, particularly in later rounds...
Those are just some of the big things, notwithstanding Steph being a lesser defender, being less durable, never having been the sole face of The League...
The handful of guys mentioned in that Mike/Russell tier, and there's only a handful, are in that group based off more than raw ring count. Really the intro into that tier is announcing yourself as a problem from the moment you hit The League, otherwise you better do everything else right to catch up...
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I love how we all just ignore Steph choking in every single NBA finals he's ever been in. I could care less how many 40 foot three pointers he makes. It won't change the fact that he shrunk on the biggest stage every time. To the point where you legit forgot he was even on the court. Steph is no way shape or form in that MJ, Bron, Kobe class. Let's just cut the bullshyt already. Great player. But once you take away that jump shot he's damn near useless. That's just the facts
Might be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen here.
the goal is of basketball is to put the ball through the hoop
This logic doesn't make sense. In that case that title belonged to Ray Allen, so did that automatically jump him above a bunch of SGs to be behind only Jordan and Kobe? No it didn't.
The fact that he was that and still never was able to get a FMVP is the point.
And yes, he should have one instead of the "I Guarded LeBron" award Iggy and Kawhi have. But he doesn't.
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Yea no shyt. That's the point. What good is an all time great jumpshot when you can't even hit it when it matters most?....He can make all them no look 3's in the regular season but when he really needed it he got shut down by Kevin love in the biggest moment of his lifeMight be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever seen here.
the goal is of basketball is to put the ball through the hoop
Matter of fact you take Steph off the floor in those final moments of game 7 vs the Cavs and the warriors probably win. That's how much of a liability he was without his jumpshot. One of the most pathetic performances I ever seen from a so called "GOAT". And I was actually rooting for the warriors. Nothing you curry stans can say will ever change the fact he choked in the biggest game of his life. That 3-1 chokejob will live with him forever. Go cry about it.
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@((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL Yes, Chef Curry choke badly on Game 7 in the 2016 finals. However, he bounced back and won back to back titles while averaging 27 points per game in both 2017 and 2018 finals.
Chef Curry averaged 26.5pts, 6 assists, and 5 rebs in 5 NBA finals. That's elite status.
Chef Curry averaged 26.5pts, 6 assists, and 5 rebs in 5 NBA finals. That's elite status.
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yea I’m not saying Steph is as good as Jordan or even has a chance to be unless he wins like 2-3 titles straight starting now and even if he did Jordan will still be the GOAT to me
I’m just saying if Lebron is in the conversation then Steph is also
if Kobe is in the conversation then Steph should be although I personally think Kobe > Steph
it’s not all about rings but a combination of things strengths vs weaknesses for example and dominance
I don’t think Jordan has any weak point but lebron and Curry do.
kobe just couldn’t get 6 titles and he lost too much
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Longevity lol. Lets not act like Kobe didn't average 30/6/5 in the playoffs during his prime on +4 league average efficiency. All while playing in the hardest conference ever and without another top 75 guy on his team..
I disagree with Steph knocking on top 10 after another chip though. I think he's already top 10 along with KD. And yes. This does mean I don't have Wilt nor Russell in the top 10
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Why is 6 rings the point of emphasis? Historically, this wasn't the standard in the NBA, and it wasn't even a standard Mike was held to, he was being discussed in the GOAT convo with no titles in Y4 and was the majority opinion by his 3rd, no later than 4th title...
6 rings certainly wasn't some standard before Mike, yet since Mike retired its the measuring stick everyone is held to? Why wasn't he held to Russell's or Kareem's or Magic's number of titles?
Kobe's inclusion in the conversation ramped up once LeBron entered it, once it was apparent LeBron had lapped Kobe. This isn't to say there weren't individuals who had Kobe as their personal GOAT because there were, but those people were a minority. The majority of Kobe's prime, he wasn't viewed as better than Duncan or Shaq, two guys he paralleled his career with. The Kobe/Mike comp existed only from the standpoint of Kobe being viewed as a Mike clone in play style, that dates back to Kobe's earliest years, when The League marketed the "Next Jordan's", of which Kobe was one of many supposedly but ultimately turned out to be the best of the bunch....
Kobe/Mike comp was never about Kobe being viewed as equal or greater than Mike. When he won #5 in Y14, the conversation about him "catching Mike" took on a new life in popular opinion, could he get to 6 like Mike. It was always understood Kobe was in that next tier of greatness below Mike, and it was always understood Bron's ceiling was at the Mike level...
Bron had to validate his expectations with rings and by the time he won #2, 4 MVPs in 5 years in '13, is when his name was cemented in the conversation. Kobe really wasn't in this conversation until years pass and Bron created more distance between he and Kobe, and there was this strong media push post-Bean's retirement of "what about Kobe"?
Nobody forgot about Kobe, he's just in the tier of player just below it. But he had more people in NBA media that included former players and Mike riders who pushed against Bron, for Kobe...
Kobe Bryant isn't genuinely in the GOAT conversation if you hold everyone to the same objective standard. And there's only 4 or 5 guys tops with legitimate cases for greatest ever....too many guys were better than Kobe. Too many dudes were Day One problems (Kobe wasn't); too many dudes were more dominant in the postseason and Finals than Kobe; too many dudes had more dominant imprints (Kobe was dominant but was a degree of dominance below the most dominant guys); too many guys greatness was validated thru MVP honors and Top 5 finishes than Kobe; too many guys were better while being the best player on their teams, etc...
You hold everyone to the same objective standards Kobe isn't Top 5, has no case for it until you start subjectively sliding and adding shyt like aesthetics...
LeBron has all the criteria necessary to be in the discussion and while he has weaknesses, so do everyone else in the discussion. Mike wasn't the perfect basketball player, though he may be everyone's prototype. He had weaknesses, though...
So as all this pertains to Steph, his projected worthiness in the GOAT conversation can't be just because "LeBron is in it", that's the same dumb shyt people have done with and for Kobe--->if Bron is in it, Kobe has to be. It's intellectually dishonest...
Too many things have gone against Steph for him to make it into that conversation barring an unprecedented streak of winning. I dont think it's impossible for Steph but it's highly unlikely all things considered, and adding '14 Duncan/'88 Kareem titles doesn't enhance anybody, you gotta win while you're still "you"...
He gets another ring as a #1, just one more, we start talking about Top 10 push seriously and any other rings or deep runs aside from that could elevate Steph higher, but he'll need a lot more rings as a #1 to make it into the Rushmore/Top 5 of all time conversation...