Joe Biden wasn't good for the down-ballot

[FAH1223]

I agree with everything you said. Out of the three you mentioned I would go with Newsom. He is the least problematic out of those three choices. I’m hoping someone else emerges in the next three years.

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I actually have no idea who it will be but I prefer Newsom out of those 3. I would say to not count out some centrist person with a lot of money behind them. I can see the Colorado senator who just won or the governor of North Carolina. I also wouldn’t discount Big Gretch.

If he ever wanted to do it, Keith Ellison would be an interesting candidate.

But I don't think he wants to put himself through that.

 

[No1]

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If he ever wanted to do it, Keith Ellison would be an interesting candidate.

But I don't think he wants to put himself through that.

He’s Muslim and used to chill with Farrakhan. They will come for his head. He should have had Perez’s job though.

 

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@TDUBB @Arbitrage! @Shogun @LurkMoar @BK The Great @Sammy Steez @Heelish @spencerforhire

If he ever wanted to do it, Keith Ellison would be an interesting candidate.

But I don't think he wants to put himself through that.

He needs a cabinet position which puts his name and ideas out in front.

Joe better keep his promise from the primaries!

 

[A.R.$]

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If he ever wanted to do it, Keith Ellison would be an interesting candidate.

But I don't think he wants to put himself through that.

Unfortunately this country is not ready to elect a Muslim president. I even think a religious Jewish, or Buddhist candidate would struggle.

Yang is interesting. I support UBI, but he will have to be sharper on other policy issues if he want a realistic chance of winning.

 

[Macallik86]

In a way yes. His tough on drug pushes in the 80s him working with human garbage like Strom Thurmond and his support for the 94 Crime Bill turned off a lot of Black voters.

A bit of a stretch and ignores a lot of evidence to the contrary. We can see the impact of those policies in 2020, but it wasn't as clear in the 80s. Even back then though, Biden was more progressive than Donald Trump and continues to be seen as such by everyone that is knowledgeable of politics. Take for example Biden's views on apartheid in the 80s compared to Trump's views where he went the opposite way and praised apartheid leaders 25 years later.

Couple that with facts like Trump being sued by the government for racially discriminating against black people, stopping low income housing in the suburbs which will disproportionately helps black people, and calling all African countries shyt holes, and you start to see a pattern if you are being honest. I do encourage you to read more around the policy decisions that were made instead of what is passed around on social media to get a more well-balanced view of the candidates.

 

[A.R.$]

A bit of a stretch and ignores a lot of evidence to the contrary. We can see the impact of those policies in 2020, but it wasn't as clear in the 80s. Even back then though, Biden was more progressive than Donald Trump and continues to be seen as such by everyone that is knowledgeable of politics. Take for example Biden's views on apartheid in the 80s compared to Trump's views where he went the opposite way and praised apartheid leaders 25 years later.

Couple that with facts like Trump being sued by the government for racially discriminating against black people, stopping low income housing in the suburbs which will disproportionately helps black people, and calling all African countries shyt holes, and you start to see a pattern if you are being honest. I do encourage you to read more around the policy decisions that were made instead of what is passed around on social media to get a more well-balanced view of the candidates.

This has been debated in the crime bill thread. I don’t want to rehash the same arguments in this thread. But that wasn’t the question being address. The question that was asked was if Biden didn’t do as well with Black and Latinos voters because he wasn’t progressive enough. It is a fact that Joe support for the crime bill hurt him with a segment of Black voters. Also I think it is reasonable to assume that the Obama Administration deportation policy might of hurt Biden among a segment of Latino voters. I’m not even arguing if the policy was wrong or right.

 

[wire28]

because they're bernie bros too

Good point

berniewood and his lackeys really bout to have free reign to pollute the subforum again

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Arizons has a big independent streak and a large Latino base which Bernie did well with. Wisconsin is a labor, blue collar town which Bernie's message woulda resonated with.

Biden won because Obama made a call to all the other candidates signaling to voters that Joe wanted go beat Trump which was all Democrats caref about at that point. Once the tide turned, Bernie did nothing to put an aggressive fight against Biden.

Bernie took heavy L’s in the primary in those blue collar Midwest states. Stop this “would’ve” shyt. He didn’t win the primaries - the step he needed to surpass to get to the finals. He proved to not be a great politician twice, made critical missteps with the black base that just delivered the election to Joe. It’s over.


Bernie was not the one, progressives have not found the one. Liz would’ve been the best fukking president ever, but I can accept she didn’t connect, Bernie supporters need to do the same. It’s not an indictment on their ideas or platform, it was them as candidates.

 

[Ozymandeas]

It’s easy to say Bernie would have did this and that in this mythical hypothetical scenario. What actually happened is that Biden best Bernie handedly. Biden barely best Trump despite having momentum on his side. I seriously doubt Bernie could have beat Trump when Biden barely did. Bernie could have won in 2016 but I seriously doubt he could have pulled it out in 2020.

I voted for Bernie in the primary but I’m just keeping it real. Bernie would have ran up the score in liberal enclaves like Cali and NY but I doubt he could have flipped GA, AZ and WI.

Exactly. I can’t stand when people want to talk about hypotheticals but not what actually happened.

 

[A.R.$]

We still talking about Bernie vs Biden? We all need to let that debate go. There is really no way of proving if Bernie would of did better or worse. There are new battles to fight. A better discussion is how can we push Biden to fight for progressive policies. I already seen John Kasich on CNN attempting to push Biden right. He was shytting on defund the police, and talking about social security reform, which really mean cutting social security. It been rumored that Biden is considering Kasich for a cabinet position. Things like this what we need to be pressuring Biden on immediately.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

I don't think it was Biden. I think Trump is neo-Nazi Obama. He just activates voters who otherwise wouldn't have bothered to vote.

That we still held the House and have a puncher's chance at the Senate is because Biden held 2018's suburban gains and activated enough Black voters (and even then, it's more Trump pissing off every Black voter who isn't a c00n over the past four years that really drove the turnout).

 

[God Almighty]

Good point

berniewood and his lackeys really bout to have free reign to pollute the subforum again

They said after Biden's elected, we need to push him left. You're already pre-complaining about that happening.

 

[No1]

We still talking about Bernie vs Biden? We all need to let that debate go. There is really no way of proving if Bernie would of did better or worse. There are new battles to fight. A better discussion is how can we push Biden to fight for progressive policies. I already seen John Kasich on CNN attempting to push Biden right. He was shytting on defund the police, and talking about social security reform, which really mean cutting social security. It been rumored that Biden is considering Kasich for a cabinet position. Things like this what we need to be pressuring Biden on immediately.

You’re wasting your time. Bernie is a proxy for every time a person doesn’t like a progressive idea. And Bernie has a loyal following. Those two groups of people will annoy us all for the next 2 years. Like if one of the two groups decided to ignore the other then we would actually talk about shyt. Going forward, as a progressive person, the second someone says Bernie bro, I immediately ignore their post. And if someone starts rehashing if Bernie could win, I ignore that too.

 

[the next guy]

I don't think it was Biden. I think Trump is neo-Nazi Obama. He just activates voters who otherwise wouldn't have bothered to vote.

That we still held the House and have a puncher's chance at the Senate is because Biden held 2018's suburban gains and activated enough Black voters (and even then, it's more Trump pissing off every Black voter who isn't a c00n over the past four years that really drove the turnout).

Neither Biden or Trump. Our congressional leadership is weak. That call this week was something.

 

[CEO of Morgan Industries]

Neither Biden or Trump. Our congressional leadership is weak. That call this week was something.

Who would you prefer in those leadership positions? I'd rather have someone other than Schumer leading the Senate Dems, myself.