the next guy
Superstar
Durbin and Tim Ryan. Honestly. Pelosi can raise money but winning elections...idk.
Joe Biden wasn't good for the down-ballot
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Sorry, but that wasn't the question. If you refer back to the original post that started this thread (or my initial response) it is referring to blacks/latinx not preferring a moderate and voting for Trump instead.
To that point, are you suggesting that since Biden wasn't for medicare for all, these communities voted for the guy who wants to completely remove their healthcare? Or maybe since Biden isn't for defund the police, they decided to vote for the president that backed police unions? Or perhaps since Biden wasn't for instant citizenship for all immigrants, they decided to vote for the person that villainizes immigrants?
If progressive policies were the deciding factor, poll data would should a depression in Democratic votes across Af-Am/latinx communities or a spike in green party votes, not an increase in Trump's portion of the vote and Biden winning the most votes for a president ever.
I never mentioned M4A or anything else that you mentioned in your post. I wasn’t suggesting anything. I only mentioned the crime bill and how it hurt him with a segment of Black voters. Nothing more nothing less. The crime bill was not progressive at all, therefore it could be argued that he wasn’t progressive enough on that issue.
Those are examples of progressive policies that Biden is chided for not fully embracing, and comparing those to the alternatives that Trump is for. My point is that there is no evidence that Biden being less progressive led to progressives voting for Trump instead. That was the initial convo being had prior to you inserting yourself into the conversation without the full context.
Mr Hate Coffee
Veteran
on Luther. 
Sidestepping any thread derailing mentions of Bernie...
It's hard to avoid the feeling that after Biden running on the premise that he and only he could win back the Senate and do well in heartland areas... His campaign didn't do enough in this regard. NC was a self inflicted gun wound he couldn't do much about... But Maine? Iowa? South Carolina? This was supposed to be his bread and butter right? I don't get how the conversation has now switched to, "oh yeah, he did as good as he could". Any other candidate (apart from Delaney probably) would not have got this benefit of the doubt and would have been panned. Shoot, Bernie is catching strays from a few people for magically making a few members of Congress lose their seats
Anyway, there's a glimmer of hope with Georgia. Let's hope for once the Democrats give Stacey Abrams and her team and partners everything they need to bring both runoffs home, otherwise it's gonna be a long 2 years
It's hard to avoid the feeling that after Biden running on the premise that he and only he could win back the Senate and do well in heartland areas... His campaign didn't do enough in this regard. NC was a self inflicted gun wound he couldn't do much about... But Maine? Iowa? South Carolina? This was supposed to be his bread and butter right? I don't get how the conversation has now switched to, "oh yeah, he did as good as he could". Any other candidate (apart from Delaney probably) would not have got this benefit of the doubt and would have been panned. Shoot, Bernie is catching strays from a few people for magically making a few members of Congress lose their seats
Anyway, there's a glimmer of hope with Georgia. Let's hope for once the Democrats give Stacey Abrams and her team and partners everything they need to bring both runoffs home, otherwise it's gonna be a long 2 years
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
very small segment of blacks let that hurt him, it’s the TLR Tariq Nasheed smart dumb crew
to the second point - only when you look at it from the perspective of today. The crime bill argument has been had on here, we can’t look at it in a vacuum and pretend like most of America, even black people, wasn’t wanting to do whatever possible to curve the violence going on in cities due to the drug trade. It was the wrong way to go about it, but tough on crime was the mindset back then, we’ve now gotten to a place where part of America realizes mass incarceration, harsh prison sentences and over policing isn’t the answer.
Bernie lost to Hillary and Biden. The idea that he would've won both elections, and also helped many down ballot candidates is funny.
Not surprisingly, some BB's couldn't even wait for the election to be called to start talking shyt. Sad.
Not surprisingly, some BB's couldn't even wait for the election to be called to start talking shyt. Sad.
The crime bill was a issue for more than just the TRL/Tariq crowd. You remember the backlash Biden got after going on the Breakfast Club when CTG questioned him about it? Now a lot of us still ended up voting for Biden regardless, but to just pond it of as some Tariq shyt is highly inaccurate. A 7 point swing is significant.
Also there this entire debate is in the crime bill thread. There is a misconception that this bill was noncontroversial at the time. There was pushback to the bill even back then. Bill Clinton had to personally twist the arms of 20 to 30 members of the CBC to get this bill passed. Also the 91 version of this bill had people like Nancy Pelosi, and Bernie Sanders vote against it. Bernie even predicted that it would lead to mass incarceration. However, Biden put the violence against women act in the 94 version of the bill making it politically toxic to vote against it. Not to mention Biden working with open white supremacists like Strom Thurmond to write this bill.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
no one said it wasnt controversial, but as it's almost universally panned now, that wasn't the case back then. too many people want to look at it through the lens of today to pearl clutch about how someone could support it vs looking at it through the lens of the early 90's.
I don’t fukk with him but I know Dems.