Just Blaze and Kanye West ran parallel but just Blaze sample flips were way better

[TheDarceKnight]

This thread will probably separate the casual listener from the producers and producer-heads. People that don't care about the shop-talk of producing, or crate digging, or how samples were flipped can debate about whose music they enjoy more, and that's fine. In that department, there's definitely an argument that Kanye's beats on Blueprint were more enjoyable that Just Blaze's beats on there. But there's also a deeper level, and if you don't care about that level, then cool.

But the way that Girls, U Don't Know, and Song Cry were made shows a level above the way the Heart of the City, Takeover, Never Change, and Izzo were made.



Nothing wrong with being a casual listener, but cats like Just Blaze and Nottz are your favorite producer's favorite producers.

Yo, Just Blaze had like 70 chops in here, and it sounds seamless....

It should start at 8:09

 

[Harry B]

In cause this is debate a few others producers can be pulled in on...

However, to come in on the half of Ye, one of first songs I think of him sampling and flipping would be his use of the Scarface opening music on his verse of Mercy.

Makes you stand up on some

It was one of Kanye's many in-house dudes named Lifted that produced it with additional production from Mike Will, Kanye, Mike Dean and Hudson Mowhawke

 

[TheDarceKnight]

JB is a better beatmaker. Kanye has a more creative vision on where to go with it.

In terms of making an entire album, I agree. That;s my only knock against Just. The only album he fully produced himself was Greatest Story Never old by Saigon, and we never got to hear the true album before Atlantic fukked it up.

Kanye does have a larger vision, and was able to take a lot of albums and put it all together. Both for himself and with Common on Be.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Pre graduation Kanye was right up there with the sample flips. But he’s more versatile in production then Just Blaze hence why he’s still relevant

 

[TheDarceKnight]

In cause this is debate a few others producers can be pulled in on...

However, to come in on the half of Ye, one of first songs I think of him sampling and flipping would be his use of the Scarface opening music on his verse of Mercy.

Makes you stand up on some

See, Kanye didn't really make that beat though.

Dark Fantasy was the last album that had beats on it where Kanye was really making the beats himself. A few on some other projects here and there, but after that (including Cruel Summer) Kanye mostly started doing the Quincy Jones/Teddy Riley/Dr. Dre method of bringing in others to make the beat and then embellishing the beat.

Kanye even did that on his very first album. Evidence from Dilated Peoples made the beat for Last Call, and Kanye came in and got a bunch of people to do live instrumentation for the end of it, and re-play some things, because the sample didn't clear.

This should start at 4:27

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Pre graduation Kanye was right up there with the sample flips. But he’s more versatile in production then Just Blaze hence why he’s still relevant

I think that's partially true. I think another part of why Just Blaze isn't out there anymore is because he doesn't give that much of a fukk about hip-hop, and he's content to be a DJ and make a lot of paper playing house music and doing sets of his own greatest hits.

He's straight up said he's not inspired in hip-hop. He's got so much fukking music in the stash.

It's not like he's trying to get work and can't.

But yes, Kanye is more versatile in the "big picture production" sense. In terms of getting behind a machine and getting busy on the pads...Just Blaze is more versatile.

 

[SirBiatch]

it's not even close, none of kanye's albums are even listenable now
the speed up soul sample was hot at the time and kanye could dig in the crates, he was never on just level

all hov's best songs are with just blaze, plus just did the bulk of production for the roc

just blaze beats still sound good after nearly 20 years, all kanye's beats sound dated, and he wasn't even making beats anymore on his second album

just blaze can mix and master, he can create sounds, his beats sound thick, never cheap like kanye's

you're gonna make these KTT cacs furious, breh

 

[Milk N Cookies]

it's not even close, none of kanye's albums are even listenable now
the speed up soul sample was hot at the time and kanye could dig in the crates, he was never on just level

all kanye's beats sound dated,

just blaze beats still sound good after nearly 20 years

never cheap like kanye's

Imma need you to chill ripping in Ye like that. Ye’s material beat wise still holds almost 20 years later, his early stuff goes hella hard. When he was exclusive to making beats hearing them now still makes you feel good & soulful be the samples used in a soulful way of not and have you looking like Kanye was (and still is) just that good.

i.e.

Just was just as soulful too, his drums were just harder. a softer kick and low hitting rim shot would make it softer

Very true cause when we cause him & Mos in LA my sister wanted to hear them do Brown Skinned Lady, I wanted to hear Mos do Miss Fat Booty but when Talib did this one I was set for the night....

 

[Master Teacher]

Pre graduation Kanye was right up there with the sample flips. But he’s more versatile in production then Just Blaze hence why he’s still relevant

Kanye is an artist, and hasn't been relevant as a producer since his second album

strictly beats kanye is not touching just blaze period

all kanye can do is loop a sample and get live instruments to replay stuff

just blaze is a scientist, he can bend sounds in ways no other producer can

welcome to new york doesn't have samples in it but sounds like an 80's rock sample, and he's singing the words on the hook which sounds like some shyt off the warrior's soundtrack, kanye is not fukking with just blaze

 

[Master Teacher]

Imma need you to chill ripping in Ye like that. Ye’s material beat wise still holds almost 20 years later, his early stuff goes hella hard. When he was exclusive to making beats hearing them now still makes you feel good & soulful be the samples used in a soulful way of not and have you looking like Kanye was (and still is) just that good.





Very true cause when we cause him & Mos in LA my sister wanted to hear them do Brown Skinned Lady, I wanted to hear Mos do Miss Fat Booty but when Talib did this one I was set for the night....

man does beats are a prime example of when say kanye sounds dated

the sounds aren't strong, they aren't powerful, the mix is muddy

just blaze processes his samples, changes the textures of the sample, I know because I tried to make beats out of samples he used, and I'm perplexed how he got the sample to sound the way it does on his record

Also Kanye does have some high quality beats that have stood tall those aren't one
I mean if you gonna use kweli then use get by which is probably kanye's best beat



Just blaze can take his traditional style and still make it modern

 

[spliz]

See, Kanye didn't really make that beat though.

Dark Fantasy was the last album that had beats on it where Kanye was really making the beats himself. A few on some other projects here and there, but after that (including Cruel Summer) Kanye mostly started doing the Quincy Jones/Teddy Riley/Dr. Dre method of bringing in others to make the beat and then embellishing the beat.

Kanye even did that on his very first album. Evidence from Dilated Peoples made the beat for Last Call, and Kanye came in and got a bunch of people to do live instrumentation for the end of it, and re-play some things, because the sample didn't clear.

This should start at 4:27

Honestly he didnt hands on make alot of beats on MDBTF either. Cyhi said he never seen Kanye all hands on deck on a beat machine or none of that shyt till recently. And it blew his mind. That should tell u how long he aint been crankin shyt out from scratch.

 

[flah_neon]

Blaze got more bangers than Ye. The only reason we talk about Ye more is because he appealed to suburb cacs and bougie nigs (also suburb folk) very early. Kanye's beats were never as gutter as Blaze's, and when you're making cac-friendly shyt, gutter beats are a no-no

you disrespecting the blueprint

 

[SirBiatch]

you disrespecting the blueprint

how so? Blueprint was dope and some of Kanye's best ever production work.

 

[Monoblock]

I always liked Just Blaze production a little bit more that Ye's during that period. His drums were just harder and overall better. His scratching on Just Blaze, Bleek, and Free was godly. Listen to those damn drums.


He could do so many styles flawlessly. He's helmed the production on the majority of at least 2 personal classic albums IMO (Freeway-Philadelphia Freeway, Saigon-The Greatest Story Never Told)


The way he blended in Enemies and Friends right after one another on TGSNT was cinematic.



Just Blaze could score a movie easily.

 

[Harry B]

This thread will probably separate the casual listener from the producers and producer-heads. People that don't care about the shop-talk of producing, or crate digging, or how samples were flipped can debate about whose music they enjoy more, and that's fine. In that department, there's definitely an argument that Kanye's beats on Blueprint were more enjoyable that Just Blaze's beats on there. But there's also a deeper level, and if you don't care about that level, then cool.

But the way that Girls, U Don't Know, and Song Cry were made shows a level above the way the Heart of the City, Takeover, Never Change, and Izzo were made.



Nothing wrong with being a casual listener, but cats like Just Blaze and Nottz are your favorite producer's favorite producers.

Yo, Just Blaze had like 70 chops in here, and it sounds seamless....

It should start at 8:09

This is art not sports, it's about what sounds the best.

That Kanye had Timbo re-do the drums for Stronger 50 times doesn't affect how good the music sounds. Or that he lately has 20 producers on a track, doesn't make it more advanced-sounding than a Just Blaze song. Who can flip a sample the best is irrelevant if the beat or especially the song isn't better. That's more about computer programming skills, a la new techno producers. That's impressive technical skills, but from a musical standpoint it's nothing unless you got the musical talent of Just Blaze.And I don't think Just is anyones favorite producers favorite producer, never heard Dr. Dre, Rza or Premo call just their favorite producer.

And on the The Blueprint comparisons, I always thought Girls remix was better.

As far as heads up for me
Best Come home with me: Tie between Dead or Alive and The Roc
Best Purple Haze: No Blaze beats but Dipset Forever and Down and Out were probably the best beats
Best BP: Impossible to say, I'm leaning towards Just's performance but Kanye's songs were better which makes it hard.
Best Beans: Nothing Like it,
Best Beans: Face and Jay: Guess who's back (beat) > This can't be life > Some how some way
Best Drake: Lord Knows
Best RnB: You don't know my name
Best BP2: Poppin Tags
Best TBA: Encore/Lucifer > TBA/December 4th
What else?

Looks pretty even, on a beat level, who did the chopping better is just chopping skills. Kanye's thing is that he could rather get someone to do it for him, he's trying to make the best music. And I have to believe that producers value creativity, vision and ear as much as they do computer programming skills.

Now add that Kanye/Common has about 4-5 albums that millions of people call straight classics.
That's what does it for me, that they can go beat for beat and it's even on the scattered shyt while Kanye also has half a dussin fully produced albums.