Kevin Feige calls a Fox and Marvel Studios partnership "An Impossibility"
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If they get a competent team together to make an FF movie than it could be a success. That is why it is a smart play because if they strike gold they make a shyt ton of money and in the long term an X-MEN/FF crossover universe is a potential cash cow.
Take a few steps back from being a stan and look at what Fox has...they have a ready made comic book movie universe with amazing earning potential. Every studio on the outside of Disney/WB/Sony is desperate for that.
With Wolverine's final movie coming they in a pretty good position to reboot the X-Men franchise and from there they can try to incorporate the FF into it.
Now they may fukk it up again but I don't think Fox ever went into any of those FF movies thinking "this is gonna be some hot garbage!", they go into it thinking they are making something that will be successful.
And as an IP the FF is a potential gold mine that Fox would be stupid to just hand back to Marvel.
If the movie side of Fox is as strident towards Marvel (and vice versa from the looks of it) then I would think the only way we see that happening is if a couple high ranking Fox execs get their emails hacked and the scandal/embarrassment forces them team up with Marvel like what happened with Sony.
Days of Future Piff
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People like to clown on the F4 but don't realize how much they truly changed the game when they first dropped. Their debut predates the X-men, Avengers, and even Spider-man.
Before the Fantastic 4, nobody had ever really seen superheroes that act like actual people and not paragons. You had a main hero that was hyperfocused on his work and ignored his wife. A main hero that looked like freaky monster but was still a good guy. Cosmic entities and beings from other planets and dimensions they would interact with regularly. This was the comic that introduced (arguably) the GOAT supervillain Doctor Doom, as well as the likes of the Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Skrulls, Uatu the Watcher, Black Panther, the Negative Zone, and the Inhumans. We take all that for granted because EVERYBODY's following the formula that the F4 pioneered.
When this first dropped there was NOTHING else like it. If Marvel got the rights back and had people that really cared working on their movies, a Fantastic Four movie could be lit, and I say this as an X-men stan. A lot of us might prefer the X-men or the Avengers, but let's not forget that the Fantastic 4 had the recipe. The rest of these characters would have gone nowhere if the F4 hadn't taken off when they did. Their rights need to go back to Marvel ASAP.
I can live with X-men staying at Fox, but they need a hard reboot with new director who knows the lore and truly cares about the source material. (I wouldn't complain if they went back to Marvel though
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We need a reboot based on the GOAT X-men era!
Before the Fantastic 4, nobody had ever really seen superheroes that act like actual people and not paragons. You had a main hero that was hyperfocused on his work and ignored his wife. A main hero that looked like freaky monster but was still a good guy. Cosmic entities and beings from other planets and dimensions they would interact with regularly. This was the comic that introduced (arguably) the GOAT supervillain Doctor Doom, as well as the likes of the Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Skrulls, Uatu the Watcher, Black Panther, the Negative Zone, and the Inhumans. We take all that for granted because EVERYBODY's following the formula that the F4 pioneered.
When this first dropped there was NOTHING else like it. If Marvel got the rights back and had people that really cared working on their movies, a Fantastic Four movie could be lit, and I say this as an X-men stan. A lot of us might prefer the X-men or the Avengers, but let's not forget that the Fantastic 4 had the recipe. The rest of these characters would have gone nowhere if the F4 hadn't taken off when they did. Their rights need to go back to Marvel ASAP.
I can live with X-men staying at Fox, but they need a hard reboot with new director who knows the lore and truly cares about the source material. (I wouldn't complain if they went back to Marvel though
)We need a reboot based on the GOAT X-men era!
That's not what happened though. The Sony emails showed interest in working with Marvel totally independent of whether or not they were made public. The only thing the hack did is severely lessen Sony's negotiating position during those talks.
FF4 being a potential gold mine is not a foregone conclusion. Especially not after three fails. Marvel has already shown they can take D tier characters like Guardians Of The Galaxy and Dr. Strange and make them hits.
Fox was given X-Men, which is hands down Marvel's hottest team and they've barely been able to do the numbers of the MCU, which was originally characters nobody wanted the cinematic rights to. Before anybody mentions "Deadpool", that is an outlier so far. The MCU does that on the regular.
Do I think the MCU will ever get X-Men back? Probably not. FF4? I'd be very surprised if they didn't. The same things people are saying about FF4, people said about Spider-Man, and that was actually a successful franchise.
Fred.
you're right, fox doesnt have the opportunity to do it to marvel, so why do people blame them like they do?...all they can do is create movies/tv shows...and even with the tv shows, marvel has input....
the bold isnt true....marvel started killing off mutants (and not creating new ones), while trying to push the inhumans into that spot for a long time now...just like they started taking the shine off spidey, before the sony deal....this isnt new...also, there has always been room for negotiation, marvel just trying to bully fox, and get the rights for the low....which fox isnt going for...
you keep the rights cause it's business....marvel trying to get them for low, fox holding on to them for a bigger payout, is all business....seriously, why give up something for cheap just cause fanboys complain?..that's dumb....you say no one will go see a FF movie, i disagree....if they make a good movie, people will go see it...cause in the end, that's all that matters: whether the movie is good or not...if people wont see a good movie cause fox did it and not marvel, that's dumb....
exactly....it's business, but people acting like it's only marvel conducting it....if marvel went to fox with a good deal for the rights(including sharing), i'm sure fox would gladly work with them...but marvel not doing that cause marvel just to wait/hope fox give in....
AnonymityX1000
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Oh he played the Stan card!
People can't just disagree without this being the case anymore?! Marvel Stans have buried the hatchet but I see some don't want the Stan wars to die. Bad timing. 
I said sell it back. And they shyt the bed too many times for this to be a potential success IMO. A component team is going to cost more than normal due to their past failures. Are they really going to pay extra, climb an uphill battle with the core audience sentiments just for a potential but highly unlikely goldmine of the FF4 franchise?! I doubt FOX even does that and I definitely think it is a dumb idea. But I respect your opposing position.
Makavalli
Sinister is a system
Yea xmen are iconic so that would be dumb to give that back. Fox just need to hire a Feige type cac to oversee everything but too many bosses to sit back and let one dude get all the credit for launching a billion dollar universe
If the standom fits...just saying Fox needs to give the FF back to Marvel because the Fox FF movies have sucked is the type of stuff a stan would say. All of your arguments for Fox letting the rights revert are based on your being a Marvel movie fan and not looking at things the way a movie studio would.Oh he played the Stan card!
I said sell it back. And they shyt the bed too many times for this to be a potential success IMO. A component team is going to cost more than normal due to their past failures. Are they really going to pay extra, climb an uphill battle with the core audience sentiments just for a potential but highly unlikely goldmine of the FF4 franchise?! I doubt FOX even does that and I definitely think it is a dumb idea. But I respect your opposing position.
Those characters are valuable and to just hand them back over would be bad business on Fox's part.
Bryan Danielson
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Oh he played the Stan card!
I said sell it back. And they shyt the bed too many times for this to be a potential success IMO. A component team is going to cost more than normal due to their past failures. Are they really going to pay extra, climb an uphill battle with the core audience sentiments just for a potential but highly unlikely goldmine of the FF4 franchise?! I doubt FOX even does that and I definitely think it is a dumb idea. But I respect your opposing position.
Thats how you can tell when these niccas get hurt
The War ended a LONG time ago
But it can be brought back if niccas wont, but it wont go so well for some folks round here
Thats how you can tell when these niccas get hurt
The War ended a LONG time ago
But it can be brought back if niccas wont, but it wont go so well for some folks round here
AnonymityX1000
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Must be a lot of Marvel Stans cause more than a few people in this thread are saying, 'give it back to Marvel'. I at least said 'sell'. But I get labelled the Stan?
So you think Fox had no stigma to overcome with the core audience from their previous failed efforts if they try another reboot?
