Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[CarmelBarbie]

Both groups? I would say more so the black woman has to improve the structure. Black men never left. We are still here waiting for the black woman to come back to the table with humility and to take accountability of their ways that they have/are expressing.

The mother is the first teacher that a child knows. Sharazzada Ali, who KS gets most of his information from, stated the mother is the first to show a child what's right and what's wrong. If the father is not in the home, let's ask why he's not in the home? Who put the father out of the home or caused the father to not be in the home?

If you want to say he is a no good black man, why make a baby with a no good black man? Again it falls back on the woman's selection.

All those other non black families fathers happened to remain in the home but black men have been forced out? What is different between the families. A man is in the home in other races, and the black men/ones are not? Let's ask why is this the case?

These non-black families are poor just like the black families, so it's not a financial issue. Many of those families are under the poverty line as well just as the breh stated. The women over in the EAST understand how to treat their men.

They know the importance of marriage and understand that they need a man to survive

Okay. Maybe that’s the solution then.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I actually used the same site. With bm being less than bw in population, we are still marrying at a higher rate, bw double bm population maybe more and are marrying less than us.

Men are the gate keepers and if men are not letting women into the room (marrying them), who fault is it? the man or the woman? If we don't want to marry the bw, who do you fix, if the requirement is not met for the man to marry the bw, then a man is not going to marry, the product is fraud, defected, send it back to the lab.

Would you marry or take a defected product if you held the keys that would grant you access to it? Who job it is to correct the defected product or would you go and get ANOTHER one that meets your requirements? I would 100% say that it's the woman's job to correct its issues.

If you add the widow, divorcee altogether with the bw that's never been married, it surpasses the men's numbers, including widow, divorcees, and never been married

I guess it depends on if you only see the women as having issues. I think both are defective which is why our community is. I’m also concerned with how many bw and bm have never had relationships or aren’t dating anyone (not even nonblack women and men). A lot of bm and bw are single—some in an revolving door of situationships, and some not getting those experiences at all. Both groups seem frustrated and unsatisfied with the dating pool and with each other.

But I think this is mirroring what’s going to eventually happen to other groups too. It’s only a matter of time. There’s already a prediction that there will be a lot of single women of all races within the next two decades.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

Well, you can also look at this way

Normally, before a man would propose to a woman, he'd have been in a relationship with her first right?

Before he'd get into a relationship with her, they'd have gone on a date first.

In order to go on that date, they'd have to exchange numbers.

But most women aren't just giving their numbers out to just any man are they? Or they're at least not answering just any man's text.

Women, from the beginning, are the choosers. They don't want a proposal from any random man. They want a proposal from the man they chose out of the hundreds who shot their shot. And that is okay.

However, I cannot (seriously) propose to you unless I got your number first. But when I said "Good morning" you told me "No thank you" while looking down at your phone.

That conversation never happened between us breh lol. But I get it.

Is it only bw that do that to you? Do you think that bw’s rejection of bm is contributing to low marriage?

 

[jay83]

That conversation never happened between us breh lol. But I get it.

Is it only bw that do that to you? Do you think that bw’s rejection of bm is contributing to low marriage?

I think it’s just being realistic and knowing your lane. You got tons of women that are average looking who are holding out for the top 5 percent of dudes and they aren’t even top 30 percent themselves.

it’s like a journeyman athlete holding out trying to get a max contract and turning down offers from teams then they end up out the league because they didn’t know their lane.

I think as a woman if you’re willing to put in the work you can want whatever you want in a man. But many think it’s owed to them.

 

[L2014]

That conversation never happened between us breh lol. But I get it.

Is it only bw that do that to you? Do you think that bw’s rejection of bm is contributing to low marriage?

Yes. Very much so.

 

[Wiseborn]

But isn’t that a fear for men in other communities too? and they still marry. Arguably in communities where the men have more resources to lose—and again still they marry. And I’m not necessarily arguing for marriage but when we talk about incentives and a reason why those other women are more likely to be fit, feminine and cooperative, it’s because they know those behaviors bring them that much closer to marriage—it’s what their moms and dads taught them too. And what was modeled.

My mom fat shamed me and my sisters growing up, so naturally, whether I’m single or not, it’s been ingrained by what my taught to me growing up that I’m not attractive if I’m fat, that it’s shameful to be overweight, etc. well I grew up in white communities where the white mothers took it one step further—white girls were told that men wont want them or marry them if they’re fat (amongst other things). So, if they wanted marriage they know that at a minimum they needed to be fit.

The main difference is those men control their communities, meaning a white women or a asian woman or a hispanic woman can't "call the cops" and get a dude killed and she be accepted in their communities. Now if you want to say where Black Men fukked up is allowing a Black woman to get a Black Man killed or jailed and that being ok.

Keep in mind I'm not talking about literal domestic violence situations (even though even that can be handled in the community better than outside of the community) I'm talking about the constant talking down on Black Men. Asian women date out like a motherfukker but it's hard to get an Asian woman from Asian or totally americanized to shyt on Asian Men or the Asian community in general. There was just a thread about how Asian "tiger Moms" push their kids to succeed yet there's not zillions of stories about this kind of "child abuse"

Really the difference between our community and others is that we allow fukkery inside the community Before you bring it up a nikka like Tommy Sotomayor shouldn't be allowed to say what he says and remain in good standing as a Black Man either. In short we don't ostracize and discipline each other.

Marriage isn't about "love" and it never was If you think that someone is supposed to love someone who gains 400 pounds and can't even have sex or take care of themselves you're crazy Man or woman, but if you allow people to break contracts just because they feel like it there would be chaos. People totally forget that marriage is about Family Formation Africa has the best set up. A nikka wants to get married he holla's at the Father and sends ten cows. If the chick strongly objects she can go to another village and be a Village Wife i.e literally community p*ssy the dudes of that village who can't get the cows up to marry share her and they communally take care of her. They get sexual access she gets resources, i.e the original only fans girl If a simp wants to put a claim to any children so be it but if they don't again the kids are in a limbo situation but basically supplied for.

The villiage woman gets her freedom but freedom ain't free she has to fukk the local incels and still low key sideeyed by the village in general. But the main takeaway is the community (not some outside force) handles it

 

[Treblemaka]

As long as the men of our community blame our women for most of the problems in our community we will not be taken seriously as leaders in our own community.

I've watched this thread for a while. There is very little accountability taken for the role bm have played in the state of our community. The fact that KS is lauded as some sort of guiding light and grown men are calling a man they've never met "godfather" is troubling. Most of the time there is a deflection to the racism of dominant society or to women not being on the same page with us in here. Even though bm marry out at a higher rate, and most of bw still want bm. That would be a valid claim except our grandfathers, great grandfathers, etc. all managed to out perform the current generation despite higher legal and physical discrimination and violence. Quality leaders hold themselves accountable first and work to fix problems before point the finger. Alot of so called men sound entitled. I dont hear anything in here about men having sex irresponsibly, I don't hear anything about how much of our entertainment (bm dominated) espouses messages surrounding debauchery and violence, I don't hear anything in here about the lack of a desire to be physically fit in our community when it isn't tied to professional sports, I dont hear anything about what we are doing to fix our communities and culture as men who are supposed to be leaders. Alot of yall want someone to follow you but you don't want the burden of leadership.

What kind of King blames the queen for all the problems of his kingdom?

Too many men in here are fat, barely have a career, no 5/10/15 year plan, no mentors, have a porn addiction, weak social skills, and are addicted to entertainment but want a fit, feminine, cooperative woman that will listen to them. Many of you couldn't lead your ass to a toilet if someone gave you a road map but expect someone else to follow you.

Shxts ridiculous.

 

[BaggerofTea]

I think the concept of male female equality in the west got people's heads fukked up

Men and women aren't equal. The expectations, roles and responsibilities are drastically different for men compared to women and we need to accept that.

Don't let these feminists fool you, at the end of the day women are looking to men as the arbitrators and people they can dump their issues on.

Nothing wrong with that, just means that men are more accountable. Higher levels of accountability mean a superior human being.

We need to start seeing it that way and a lot of complaints about women will cease as we will see that's it's within their nature

 

[Balla]

Whether its easier to obtain or not, doesn’t change the conclusion that if you assess both groups, neither group measures up to the nonblack counterpart. Women are attracted to resources and power—it incentivizes them to be fit, feminine and cooperative. Men are attracted to women who are feminine, look good, and who are cooperative/bring him peace, good mothers/nurturing, take care of the home—and when a woman is aligned with her femininity it motivates him.

I mean its almost like a chicken egg scenario. Both motivate the behaviors of the other. And in our community, both groups fall short. It’s no wonder there are issues. It just is what it is.

I see these two videos where both bw/bm critiquing each other, acting as if the other is in a much better position, and they’re not. Just like bw don’t measure up to the criteria women are assessed by in our society, bm don’t measure up to the criteria that men are measured by either. Both groups have work to do, but point the finger at the other as if that’s not the case.

But what makes this embarrassing is that these other men and women from other communities are being invited in to dish out criticism too as if those nonbm and nonbw don’t support and benefit from the very system that has been oppressive to both bw and bm in the first place.

So how do the men get the power and resources when other men do not want that to happen? Only few Black men get power and resources.

One running joke is that black women don’t want men that work 9-5s and only want thugs. They don’t want squares. So these women pick and choose who to be with, then get upset when said men don’t want to lead a household.

I don’t see how men not having power and resources causes Black women to be overweight, not feminine, and with a bad attitude. I don’t see how all of these fixable things are the black man’s fault.

These women can control what they eat, they can work on their attitudes and being feminine. Then they can look for a “good guy” to lead and have a family with. Her being overweight with a bad attitude also messes up her chances with all men.

Black men getting power and resources is a lot more difficult. You really think there aren’t any barriers for them to get this? You think that most of them want to be broke and powerless?

And I’m not saying that’s how you feel, just addressing what was said in the videos.

 

[Balla]

My white boss said this to me once... Started off by mentioning how BLM was dumb... My ears perked up

"it's almost as dumb as the people saying All Lives Matter............. Because none of our fukking lives matter. Nobody gives a fukk about you in life and that's that. Get it for yourself and your family and keep it moving. You gonna stop your life and demand someone else care about it, that's not how humans work.. Humans don't give two fukks about anything unless it affects them"

And he's right.. Only reason we even free as slaves is because it benefited the white racists in the north to do so. Not cause they actually cared about us. Nobody cares about you. Your own people don't actually care

Yeah, no one gives a fukk.

 

[Balla]

Those women are the product of the nonblack men (their fathers) and nonblack women who followed/believed in certain roles. Those women were reared in communities where the fathers were in the household, where marriage is the norm, where the women are taught that if you do xyz you’ll get married and also get xyz. the men are taught that if you do xyz you must marry the woman or once you start a family/meet a woman you want to be your wife, as the man you do xyz.

There aren’t many fathers in black households, black parents often rear their daughters to be independent, focus on an education and not worry about men. Black men aren’t necessarily taught the importance of marriage—there’s no push/pressure to marry. black women and men aren’t being reared to be wives and husbands or in what priorities/things they should be looking for when they date.

But they idolize and run to other communities who put in the work to rear and cultivate the very behaviors of the men and women they want their men/women to be like. Again, both groups have work to do—but would rather blame each other and covet the finished products that others made.

Exactly, there aren’t many black men in black households. So who’s the one raising their sons to not worry about marriage? The mother.

Of course the father is to blame for not being there, but that’s who the mother decided to procreate with. She got a dude who doesn’t want to have a family with her, so what is the mother supposed to do? Raise her children the best way that she can.

She should teach her son the values of being in a family and not abandoning it.

 

[BaggerofTea]

My white boss said this to me once... Started off by mentioning how BLM was dumb... My ears perked up

"it's almost as dumb as the people saying All Lives Matter............. Because none of our fukking lives matter. Nobody gives a fukk about you in life and that's that. Get it for yourself and your family and keep it moving. You gonna stop your life and demand someone else care about it, that's not how humans work.. Humans don't give two fukks about anything unless it affects them"

And he's right.. Only reason we even free as slaves is because it benefited the white racists in the north to do so. Not cause they actually cared about us. Nobody cares about you. Your own people don't actually care

If your white boss felt comfortable enough to share this with you.

You have bigger problems than women

 

[Balla]

As long as the men of our community blame our women for most of the problems in our community we will not be taken seriously as leaders in our own community.

I've watched this thread for a while. There is very little accountability taken for the role bm have played in the state of our community. The fact that KS is lauded as some sort of guiding light and grown men are calling a man they've never met "godfather" is troubling. Most of the time there is a deflection to the racism of dominant society or to women not being on the same page with us in here. Even though bm marry out at a higher rate, and most of bw still want bm. That would be a valid claim except our grandfathers, great grandfathers, etc. all managed to out perform the current generation despite higher legal and physical discrimination and violence. Quality leaders hold themselves accountable first and work to fix problems before point the finger. Alot of so called men sound entitled. I dont hear anything in here about men having sex irresponsibly, I don't hear anything about how much of our entertainment (bm dominated) espouses messages surrounding debauchery and violence, I don't hear anything in here about the lack of a desire to be physically fit in our community when it isn't tied to professional sports, I dont hear anything about what we are doing to fix our communities and culture as men who are supposed to be leaders. Alot of yall want someone to follow you but you don't want the burden of leadership.

What kind of King blames the queen for all the problems of his kingdom?

Too many men in here are fat, barely have a career, no 5/10/15 year plan, no mentors, have a porn addiction, weak social skills, and are addicted to entertainment but want a fit, feminine, cooperative woman that will listen to them. Many of you couldn't lead your ass to a toilet if someone gave you a road map but expect someone else to follow you.

Shxts ridiculous.

Breh, you don’t see all the threads being made on here on how to get women; and the first thing almost everyone says is don’t worry about women and get in shape and get money.

Some nikkas get mad when they hear that because it’s repeated so many times. nikkas be like “I don’t wanna hear no more shyt about the gym.”

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

If your white boss felt comfortable enough to share this with you.

You have bigger problems than women

I don’t have any problems as my office and management is 90% black

if you don’t understand his concept that nobody gives a fukk about anybody, you’d be better off. Stop ASKING. Take what’s yours or someone will

 

[BaggerofTea]

I don’t have any problems as my office and management is 90% black

if you don’t understand his concept that nobody gives a fukk about anybody, you’d be better off. Stop ASKING. Take what’s yours or someone will

you really believe what this white man says when his whole life has been built off of who he knows and what connections he has.

Black people are some fools. White people say anything and black people just believe it