Kevin Samuels Discussion Thread

[NO-BadAzz]

Whether its easier to obtain or not, doesn’t change the conclusion that if you assess both groups, neither group measures up to the nonblack counterpart. Women are attracted to resources and power—it incentivizes them to be fit, feminine and cooperative. Men are attracted to women who are feminine, look good, and who are cooperative/bring him peace, good mothers/nurturing, take care of the home—and when a woman is aligned with her femininity it motivates him.

I mean its almost like a chicken egg scenario. Both motivate the behaviors of the other. And in our community, both groups fall short. It’s no wonder there are issues. It just is what it is.

I see these two videos where both bw/bm critiquing each other, acting as if the other is in a much better position, and they’re not. Just like bw don’t measure up to the criteria women are assessed by in our society, bm don’t measure up to the criteria that men are measured by either. Both groups have work to do, but point the finger at the other as if that’s not the case.

But what makes this embarrassing is that these other men and women from other communities are being invited in to dish out criticism too as if those nonbm and nonbw don’t support and benefit from the very system that has been oppressive to both bw and bm in the first place.

I would disagree with the bolded.

Women show cooperative towards their man who doesn't have nothing in other races. Those illegal immigrants and other non-black men, women posses those things.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Watching our black women on IG, Ticktock, they are looking mean, stank walking, hard pressed facial expression, the who go check me facial expression, not smiling (yall know what I'm talking about) that's not cute.

That shyt aint warm. When I see that shyt, I just smh. That goes for all women as well. That shyt aint cute. Cut that shyt out.

You're not tough, stop looking like that.

Those women be quick to be at home alone crying because of some kind of emotional breakdown or some shyt.

 

[Wiseborn]

What do you think is stopping that from happening?

interesting. I skimmed through both videos, and if you look at the videos objectively, basically it’s showing that when you compare bw to nonbw in the areas that matter for women (weight, attitude, femininity and being more cooperative with men) and bm to nonbm in the areas the matter for men (having resources, power, leading their households, providing a community where women are incentivized to be feminine) both bw/bm fall short. And maybe that’s the issue—in other communities both the men and women are doing their part(or taught to anyway), in our community that’s not happening but both blame each other for it.

what’s interesting is that both bm and bw have the lowest marriage rates compared to their nonbm/nonbw counterparts too.

for as much as bw talk shyt about bm, they aren’t even dating/marrying nonbm in high numbers, in fact bw have one of the lowest IR rates(second only to white women) so… and bm have been telling bw about how they’ll get white women/Latina women/Asian women, and they do, they even have one of the highest IR rates for men, but those IR marriages also have the highest divorce rates so it isn’t like they’re having great outcomes when they marry out.

Seems like neither bw/bm are in a good position to be using nonblack people to point out what’s wrong with the other group. It’s also c00n shyt but I guess…

Well actually being in Colombia let me tell you the average ADOS Black Man has way more than the average Colombian, The Average Black Man treats his woman better too.

The difference is the perception (on both sides) that they can get a better deal dealing with other groups of people.

Now as a man seeking just co-operation from women is a way easier sell than being an actual High value Man so in that case it's easier to seek cooperation than it is to find a needle in the haystack High Value Man.

 

[Wiseborn]

Whether its easier to obtain or not, doesn’t change the conclusion that if you assess both groups, neither group measures up to the nonblack counterpart. Women are attracted to resources and power—it incentivizes them to be fit, feminine and cooperative. Men are attracted to women who are feminine, look good, and who are cooperative/bring him peace, good mothers/nurturing, take care of the home—and when a woman is aligned with her femininity it motivates him.

I mean its almost like a chicken egg scenario. Both motivate the behaviors of the other. And in our community, both groups fall short. It’s no wonder there are issues. It just is what it is.

I see these two videos where both bw/bm critiquing each other, acting as if the other is in a much better position, and they’re not. Just like bw don’t measure up to the criteria women are assessed by in our society, bm don’t measure up to the criteria that men are measured by either. Both groups have work to do, but point the finger at the other as if that’s not the case.

But what makes this embarrassing is that these other men and women from other communities are being invited in to dish out criticism too as if those nonbm and nonbw don’t support and benefit from the very system that has been oppressive to both bw and bm in the first place.

Again in the 3rd world in general there's a extremely tiny High Value Class that literally shyts on everyone else. It was the same thing before the Loving decision. When other options weren't readily available somehow Black people managed to deal with each other as soon as another option was provided they took it.

Forget about gender wars after intergration Black people who lived in communities with lower class Black people for ages all of a sudden realized that they couldn't. Black people en masse abandoned Black businesses that they supported and employed them for generations bushed them for the same white corporations that used to deny them entry just a few years ago.

The issue is that Black People believe that everyone's ice cubes are colder.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

I think Kevin needs to do a show on Men. Men put up with this persona from our women.

He should do a whole show explaining to men to leave these type of non-cooperative women in the bushes, no matter how fine they are.

Back in the day, you rarely had a woman getting all sassy and biggity with black men. It was a respect thing there.

But weak men will take the abuse to get ass or to say that they have someone.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I would disagree with the bolded.

Women show cooperative towards their man who doesn't have nothing in other races. Those illegal immigrants and other non-black men, women posses those things.

Those women are the product of the nonblack men (their fathers) and nonblack women who followed/believed in certain roles. Those women were reared in communities where the fathers were in the household, where marriage is the norm, where the women are taught that if you do xyz you’ll get married and also get xyz. the men are taught that if you do xyz you must marry the woman or once you start a family/meet a woman you want to be your wife, as the man you do xyz.

There aren’t many fathers in black households, black parents often rear their daughters to be independent, focus on an education and not worry about men. Black men aren’t necessarily taught the importance of marriage—there’s no push/pressure to marry. black women and men aren’t being reared to be wives and husbands or in what priorities/things they should be looking for when they date.

But they idolize and run to other communities who put in the work to rear and cultivate the very behaviors of the men and women they want their men/women to be like. Again, both groups have work to do—but would rather blame each other and covet the finished products that others made.

 

[ajnapoleon]

I think Kevin needs to do a show on Men. Men put up with this persona from our women.

He should do a whole show explaining to men to leave these type of non-cooperative women in the bushes, no matter how fine they are.

Back in the day, you rarely had a woman getting all sassy and biggity with black men. It was a respect thing there.

But weak men will take the abuse to get ass or to say that they have someone.

They would get mad at that too


I just seen that there is a petition to get him off youtube

They saying he causing a uptick of domestic violence in the black community


Somehow



I dont get the connection



Where was this energy from men to take down all these post about black men


Five channels on YouTube come up and in a year is all this

 

[Wiseborn]

Those women are the product of the nonblack men (their fathers) and nonblack women who followed/believed in certain roles. Those women were reared in communities where the fathers were in the household, where marriage is the norm, where the women are taught that if you do xyz you’ll get married and also get xyz. the men are taught that if you do xyz you must marry the woman or once you start a family/meet a woman you want to be your wife, as the man you do xyz.

There aren’t many fathers in black households, black parents often rear their daughters to be independent, focus on an education and not worry about men. Black men aren’t necessarily taught the importance of marriage—there’s no push/pressure to marry. black women and men aren’t being reared to be wives and husbands or in what priorities/things they should be looking for when they date.

But they idolize and run to other communities who put in the work to rear and cultivate the very behaviors of the men and women they want their men/women to be like. Again, both groups have work to do—but would rather blame each other and covet the finished products that others made.

The pushback to marriage is the 80% divorce rate with divorces initiated by women.


Lets not even talk about the lifetime alimony payments

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Those women are the product of the nonblack men (their fathers) and nonblack women who followed/believed in certain roles. Those women were reared in communities where the fathers were in the household, where marriage is the norm, where the women are taught that if you do xyz you’ll get married and also get xyz. the men are taught that if you do xyz you must marry the woman or once you start a family/meet a woman you want to be your wife, as the man you do xyz.

There aren’t many fathers in black households, black parents often rear their daughters to be independent, focus on an education and not worry about men. Black men aren’t necessarily taught the importance of marriage—there’s no push/pressure to marry. black women and men aren’t being reared to be wives and husbands or in what priorities/things they should be looking for when they date.

But they idolize and run to other communities who put in the work to rear and cultivate the very behaviors of the men and women they want their men/women to be like. Again, both groups have work to do—but would rather blame each other and covet the finished products that others made.

Both groups? I would say more so the black woman has to improve the structure. Black men never left. We are still here waiting for the black woman to come back to the table with humility and to take accountability of their ways that they have/are expressing.

The mother is the first teacher that a child knows. Sharazzada Ali, who KS gets most of his information from, stated the mother is the first to show a child what's right and what's wrong. If the father is not in the home, let's ask why he's not in the home? Who put the father out of the home or caused the father to not be in the home?

If you want to say he is a no good black man, why make a baby with a no good black man? Again it falls back on the woman's selection.

All those other non black families fathers happened to remain in the home but black men have been forced out? What is different between the families. A man is in the home in other races, and the black men/ones are not? Let's ask why is this the case?

These non-black families are poor just like the black families, so it's not a financial issue. Many of those families are under the poverty line as well just as the breh stated. The women over in the EAST understand how to treat their men.

They know the importance of marriage and understand that they need a man to survive

 

[CarmelBarbie]

I think Kevin needs to do a show on Men. Men put up with this persona from our women.

He should do a whole show explaining to men to leave these type of non-cooperative women in the bushes, no matter how fine they are.

Back in the day, you rarely had a woman getting all sassy and biggity with black men. It was a respect thing there.

But weak men will take the abuse to get ass or to say that they have someone.

well if it’s like you guys said and bw arent cooperative, isn’t that ruling out most bw? In that case perhaps the solution is that bm need to just marry out to get the things that they can’t get with bw.


What I’m getting from this long ass thread is that a lot of bw are not fit, feminine and cooperative. But bm are not obligated/don’t have to deal with bw on a romantic level and vice versus.

The issue with these gender wars is that both groups stay complaining about the other but won’t stop dating them/focusing on them. But if bw are problematic and other women aren’t, logically it seems like the answer is that bw have to change or more bm need to marry out? I don’t see the former happening on its own, so the latter may be the viable solution…

 

[NO-BadAzz]

well if it’s like you guys said and bw arent cooperative, isn’t that ruling out most bw? In that case perhaps the solution is that bm need to just marry out to get the things that they can’t get with bw.


What I’m getting from this long ass thread is that a lot of bw are not fit, feminine and cooperative. But bm are not obligated/don’t have to deal with bw on a romantic level and vice versus.

The issue with these gender wars is that both groups stay complaining about the other but won’t stop dating them/focusing on them. But if bw are problematic and other women aren’t, logically it seems like the answer is that bw have to change or more bm need to marry out? I don’t see the former happening on its own, so the latter may be the viable solution…

That's pretty much the jist and that's why Sharazzard Ali book in the 80s is so relevant today and that is why KS is so popular. The truth is being brought to the light that bw will have to change. The kind of black men that bw want (we have to add that) they will have to change, we have to stress that, it's the kind of black men that black women want, the black men that these black women want, are not putting up with what they are bringing to the table (which in many cases is just ass and attitude), thus I can see that the marrying other women from other races rate going up in the future.

1 out of 4 black women will get married, that's not a good look. That's not creating black families when 3 women won't get married which leaves black women single, depressed, some get on psyche meds, have depression spells, etc. bitter. The rabbit hole goes deep when you really start to look down into it and see the state of our black women that are not married.
Being a 46 year old black woman isn't healthy.

Black men, that these bw want, are now seeking cooperation, with KS show, they are seeing how these bw think, act, look at men, etc, it's a scary and sad site to witness/hear, but with the whole fit, being feminine and cooperative it's almost to the point where it's demanded that a bw come with at least 2 outta the 3 qualities, to have a black man to even consider marriage within our race. If it's not being met, a fun time, sex, dating will be a temp solution until the time that black man these women want decides to get married, many will start to seek those 3 qualities in other women from other races if he sees he can't find it in bw, which will leave the bw left to die alone.

You got 225 pound bw, 5'3, with 2-3 kids, with a take me as I am attitude, stank walk, WAP, etc, wanting a black man who is in shape/decent shape, in the top 15% of earning within men, no kids. That combination is not going to work.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

The pushback to marriage is the 80% divorce rate with divorces initiated by women.


Lets not even talk about the lifetime alimony payments

But isn’t that a fear for men in other communities too? and they still marry. Arguably in communities where the men have more resources to lose—and again still they marry. And I’m not necessarily arguing for marriage but when we talk about incentives and a reason why those other women are more likely to be fit, feminine and cooperative, it’s because they know those behaviors bring them that much closer to marriage—it’s what their moms and dads taught them too. And what was modeled.

My mom fat shamed me and my sisters growing up, so naturally, whether I’m single or not, it’s been ingrained by what my taught to me growing up that I’m not attractive if I’m fat, that it’s shameful to be overweight, etc. well I grew up in white communities where the white mothers took it one step further—white girls were told that men wont want them or marry them if they’re fat (amongst other things). So, if they wanted marriage they know that at a minimum they needed to be fit.

 

[CoCKy GeNiuS]

Watching our black women on IG, Ticktock, they are looking mean, stank walking, hard pressed facial expression, the who go check me facial expression, not smiling (yall know what I'm talking about) that's not cute.

That shyt aint warm. When I see that shyt, I just smh. That goes for all women as well. That shyt aint cute. Cut that shyt out.

You're not tough, stop looking like that.

Those women be quick to be at home alone crying because of some kind of emotional breakdown or some shyt.

That's the thing. Once you just look through their faces when they do that shyt they stop the gimmick. It goes from frowns, hard walking, and crazy talking to soft smiles, and humbly saying excuse me when walking by u. If you shribble up and play into the characters they put on display they'll continue to play them roles. Once you give em blank looks and then act is if they're not even in your presence they straighten up.

 

[CarmelBarbie]

That's pretty much the jist and that's why Sharazzard Ali book in the 80s is so relevant today and that is why KS is so popular. The truth is being brought to the light that bw will have to change. The kind of men that bw want (we have to add that) they will have to change, we have to stress that, it's the kind of men that black women want, the men that these women want, are not putting up with what they are bringing, thus I can see that the marrying other women from other races rate may grow.

1 out of 4 black women will get married, that's not a good look. That's not creating black families when 3 women won't get married which leaves black women single, depressed, some get on crazy meds, have depression spells, etc. bitter. The rabbit hole goes deep when you really start to look down into it and see the state of our black women that are not married.

Black men, that these bw want, are now seeking cooperation, with KS show, they are seeing how these bw think, act, look at men, etc, it's a scary and sad site to witness/hear, but with the whole fit, being feminine and cooperative it's almost to the point where it's a demanded that a bw come with at least 2 outta the 3 qualities, if a black man will consider marriage within our race. If it's not being met, a fun time, sex, dating will be a temp solution until the time that black man these women want decides to get married, many will start to seek those 3 qualities in other women from other races if he sees he can't find it in bw, which will leave the bw left to die alone.

You got 225 pound bw, 5'3, with 2-3 kids, with a take me as I am attitude, stank walk, WAP, etc, wanting a black man who is in shape/decent shape, in the top 15% of earning within men, no kids. That combination is not going to work.

Well yes, bw have a low marriage rate. But here’s the thing, bm also have a low marriage rate lol. And again when bm marry out, the divorce rate is high. So again I don’t see this as a case where only bw are the issue. Bm are not in a better boat—both groups have to change.

Also, I just want to say, I see this focus on hvm as silly asf anyway considering that only a very small percentage of bm are hvm. Most bw will never be with a hvm, even if they want one, because there are so few in our community.

Many times, it’s also a matter of social circles and access. You typically have to already be in those circles to have access to those men. For example, my younger sister went to Harvard for undergrad (which I’ve talked about before on here) and she’s also an AKA. All of her friends are ivy grads just like her. And guess what? They are all married to bm who are also ivy grads. And they didn’t have to try or get advice on how to meet a hvm, he was already a part of her circle. None of the women look remarkable look wise, they’re average looking (but they are thin) and the men are average looking too. like attracts like. It’s not some remarkable formula.

for most people, it’s a matter of understanding your lane. But a lot of people are delusional about what lane that is. Our society has also become extremely shallow and fukked up, and the dating market is just a reflection of that.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

That's the thing. Once you just look through their faces when they do that shyt they stop the gimmick. It goes from frowns, hard walking, and crazy talking to soft smiles, and humbly saying excuse me when walking by u. If you shribble up and play into the characters they put on display they'll continue to play them roles. Once you give em blank looks and then act is if they're not even in your presence they straighten up.

I've done seen it live and direct up close breh, pretty lady, take pics, flip the bird to the camera, do the Megan Stallion tongue pose to the camera, post all that on the Gram, Snap etc. but be at home in my bed when she would come stay in tears asking me to list some great things about her.
Saying she doesn't have anything to look forward to do in life, can't find her purpose. I mean it's sad.
Unstable and emotional, a whole damage vending machine out here. I just spend my lil time until it's the next breh time.

It's sad breh.
The crazy part is, that it's a lot of women out here that are like this, just gotta like you stated, wait until they come out of character and see it. Just sad